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Old Jan 6, 2012 | 04:28 PM
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UPDATE***New pic of reworked return bung

UPDATE PICS OF THE OTHER LINE I HAVE ON PAGE 2




so i just drove my car for the first time since the install and it smoked like no other. the smoke was blue, so that leads me to believe that its oil. Well i know i have a good drain line but i bout this item

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbo-Oil-Fe...#ht_2286wt_856

but didn't use the restrictor, i have a non ball bearing turbo, do you think if i use a 1mm restrictor will that be to small.

also i have 80psi oil pressure and i have catch can as awell.so i know i have good ventilation .i noticed there was some oil on the flange of my wastegate. wondering if im just getting oil past the seal of the turbo.

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Old Jan 6, 2012 | 05:29 PM
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I'm on my phone and the link wont work, but is your feed a -3?
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Old Jan 6, 2012 | 11:55 PM
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Feed should be 3an, if its still a bit smokey then you need to try a restrictor. Post some pictures and info up of your oil return anyway just incase (i can't access that link at the moment btw).... and don't you DARE knock Bond in anyway. That is of course if you like celebration INDEPENDENCE DAY. J/K
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 05:25 AM
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I'm not sure the size of the line. Ill take pics of the feed line the return and the restrictor I have .
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 06:21 AM
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sorry for the phone pics cant fit much under the car.













i dont know if you can tell in the pics but the drain is all down hill, it never goes flat, and the are no kinks in it. also there is the pic if the restrictor i have
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 06:31 AM
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What inside diameter is that hose and pipe on the return ? That feed look quite big to me, i'm sure it doesn't look like 3an. Can anyone else confirm ? It needs to be 3an.. no larger.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 07:15 AM
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Take that flange off the oil feed. It's HORRIBLY made and restricted. There are 2 kinks I see alone in the return line. At the worm clamp going into the extended weld bung that you made (TERRIBLE), AND at the center of the return line itself.

Basically, you need an entire new feed line and return line kit. I'm surprised the turbo lasted this long. You definitely have oil starvation in the turbine shaft. You may have just ruined a good turbocharger.

1) Completely rework the feed and return lines
2) reweld return line bung
3) Have turbo checked for turbine shaft oil starvation.

This is not good. AT ALL..
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 08:50 AM
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How is it starving for oil? My oil pressure gauge it maxing ou
t and that flange isn't on
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 08:54 AM
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Your pressure guage is reading measurements off the back of your block... correct? Your MOTOR is seeing adequate oil pressure, but it's the TURBO you should be worried about. The flange on your oil feed is dramatically reducing pressure.. likely too much.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 09:10 AM
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i dont have that flange on my car
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 09:22 AM
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whats wrong with the bung? are you saying its to long cause i can always shorten it. i welded it as high up as possible without getting in the way of pan bolts, and it has a downward slope to it.

***That flange is not on the car i just have it*****
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 09:23 AM
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Get a feed and return kit of go-autoworks.com Ditch that Ebay crap. That way we'll know what we're dealing with.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JDMmadness
whats wrong with the bung? are you saying its to long cause i can always shorten it. i welded it as high up as possible without getting in the way of pan bolts, and it has a downward slope to it.

***That flange is not on the car i just have it*****
Please remove the photo then, as it is confusing. The idea of the bung you used seems ok. But the application of it is not good. This because the rubber line you are using is linked at the worm clamp you are using which may not give steady oil pressure. Use a completely different line with no worm clamps if possible. This return line just looks to be a hot mess.
What size line is that? What is your oil pressure?
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 10:43 AM
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Ill dont remember the size on the top of my head but my oil pressure gauge will peg at 100 even once the car is warmed up. What should I do about the line, what kind of clamps should id use .
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 10:52 AM
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Get a feed and return kit off go-autoworks.com Ditch that Ebay crap. That way we'll know what we're dealing with.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 11:09 AM
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It looks like he is also running a 4an line and no restrictor... with 80psi of pressure thats enough to push oil right past the seals into the exhaust side and it will smoke like a bitch.... and The Shohan is right about the return, you have the right angle coming off the pan but I would atleast use steel braded from your bung and then to the turbo so it doenst kink.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 11:51 AM
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If I make a Steel braded what should I use for clamps? And where can I find one for what I need . And do I need to run some kind a restrictor
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMmadness
Ill dont remember the size on the top of my head but my oil pressure gauge will peg at 100 even once the car is warmed up. What should I do about the line, what kind of clamps should id use .
100psi of oil pressure at either WOT or cold start does require no smaller than a .065" restrictor. But you need to be sure before actually Using any restrictors, because it could easily make the condition worse.

As stated. ditch ALL of the e-bay hoses, clamps and fittings and either go to GO-AUTOWERKS (go to their page directly) or Stealthmode performance to get both feed and return line parts.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMmadness
If I make a Steel braded what should I use for clamps? And where can I find one for what I need . And do I need to run some kind a restrictor
The AN fittings will come with the feed and return line kits of the places we just suggested
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Originally Posted by JDMmadness
If I make a Steel braded what should I use for clamps? And where can I find one for what I need . And do I need to run some kind a restrictor
just cut a section of 10an steel braded and hose clamp it on its not the greatest way to do it but it will get rid of your kink. or you can just hack off the return you have on the pan and weld a 10an bung on to the pan and come off that with a 45 degree to the turbo.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 01:47 PM
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Im going to do what ^ that guy said for the return line. But for the feed line I don't really want to buy another.I have an old one that is smaller but I thought you were always suppose to use a new feed line. The old one I have was givien to me so I don't know the condition of it. I'm trying to save money for my tune
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 01:48 PM
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I would like to use the feed I already have some way
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....... you can just hack off the return you have on the pan and weld a 10an bung on to the pan and come off that with a 45 degree to the turbo.
^^^More secure and reliable methods

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I would like to use the feed I already have some way
Of course you would.. That doesn't necessarily mean you should. You need to be sure about the oil pressure of the feed line before you can determine whether or not to keep or discard it. This may actually be the heart of the issue. If you're a -4AN and over say, 80psi of pressure, you could do all the work in the world on the return line and still have your issue simply because you have some affection to a feed line..at the risk of destroying an even more expensive piece of equipment..the turbo.. Now, If that's worth it to you, go ahead, but this is how you address the problem; with a blanket approach...
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^^^More secure and reliable methods



Of course you would.. That doesn't necessarily mean you should. You need to be sure about the oil pressure of the feed line before you can determine whether or not to keep or discard it. This may actually be the heart of the issue. If you're a -4AN and over say, 80psi of pressure, you could do all the work in the world on the return line and still have your issue simply because you have some affection to a feed line..at the risk of destroying an even more expensive piece of equipment..the turbo.. Now, If that's worth it to you, go ahead, but this is how you address the problem; with a blanket approach...
haha sooo true ^^^ thats what I did to mine... 4an line with a restrictor but it wasnt small enough I guess cuz my turbo just got sent out and rebuilt by precision and should be back here in a few days.. now im running a 3an line and a dip tank for the turbo and a scavange pump to remove the oil from the drip tank and pump it back into the pan... you dont need a pump I just did in my case but I would re work your drain and your feed line you will thank yourself later.

@The Shodan - This is off subject but what is your thought on Inline oil filters for added protection, I picked up an inline oil filter by Earl for some added protection because I think some of my break in shavings mad its way past the oil filter on cold startup and caused the oil contamination that precision described..
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 02:21 PM
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So ill just get a -3an line and put steel braded return line and i should be good. what yall are saying is the line i have is pumping way to much oil and the return cant drain fast enough.

What about the other line i have that is smaller?Should i try it, or go with new?the smaller line had a fitting on which looks like a restrictor which i will post pics later of.

have you heard of atp turbo, they sell oil lines also wondering if they are a good source
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