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Old Nov 12, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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hi all

i'm wondering what spring rate are H&R springs with part number 29680-1, here's the site for them.. http://www.h-r.com/de/f_sportfedersaetze.php (choose Honda and type Civic)

they are blue, and they lower car pretty much i'd say (3.5cm of front, not sure on back..)
I drive EF civic and just yesterday I got brand new Koni SP4 to replace my unknown blown shocks, and now actually ride seems kinda werid, not really as I expected (kinda jumpy i'd say, or not absorbing bumps very well), probably best to say I was expecting more stability..

Anyway didnt still found right setting maybe, I tryed to play with stiffnes a bit but maybe not enough.. so, i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with those specific springs and know their exact rates plz

and I must admit roads up here are chaos..

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Old Nov 14, 2011 | 05:39 AM
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Default Re: h&r spring rates

I cannot decipher the text on their site but from what I remember H&R uses progressive springs, meaning there isn't a set linear rate.
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Old Nov 14, 2011 | 11:28 AM
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I also heard they are progressive before I bought them, although my fronts look like they are linear (no dead coils) as far as I can recognize.

- here's pic when I was replacing old blown shocks of front springs


- and rears look like they are progressive

to determine if spring is either linear or progressive - is it possible to do it only by looking at its physical design or there are other factors ?

anyways,

another thing, today I realised one of my new SP4 Konis actually adjusted itself by lowering rebound for approx one full circle .. anyone had this happen before? .. :D


and p.s.
sorry about German site thingy, it seems that at the time in my country only H&R springs were available to buy for EF were this ones with this part number, when I search over Google it points me only to German site, and browsing H&R global site has another spring partnumbers for EF, now I dunno if it's same or different spring actually.

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Old Nov 14, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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That looks linear.

The spring part number looks like a progressive spring kit for the EF Civic. I didn't find anything more through Google or H&R's site. Perhaps an email to www.hrsprings.com is in order.
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Old Nov 14, 2011 | 12:49 PM
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I'll ask them, thanks for help ;O)
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 01:55 AM
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fronts are 45N/mm (4.6kgf/mm or 257lb/in) rears 40N/mm (4.0kgf/mm or 228lb/in).

I guess that would explain why car still kinda rolls, but .. dunno why it's bouncy and bumpy.

What are original spring rates for Civic ED7 (EF..) ? it's EDM Hatch 1.6i-16 model (D16A9 [DOHC ZC]) ?
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 03:24 AM
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It's bouncy because those rates are soft as ****. That's why. Not too much stiffer than stock rates.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 05:18 AM
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thanks.. mystery solved, time for new springs I guess
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 05:42 AM
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H&R race would be a good alternative. Good springs and good rates.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 01:08 AM
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thx for suggestion, I already looked at them and they seem really nice, but .. my car is already too low with this sport -3.5cm, I really dont wanna go any lower than this

h&r website says race lowers fron -5.7cm and rear -5.08cm.. waaaay too much for me for street use on EF chasiss in EU.

any other suggesions?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 05:18 AM
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Can you move the perch on the Koni up any further?
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 05:31 AM
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it's all the way up already unfortunatley

i know best and simplest solution woul be GC sleeves with custom springs, but it's too much money for me at the moment ..

thx for tips guys
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 01:22 PM
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Default Re: h&r spring rates

Originally Posted by grumblemarc
It's bouncy because those rates are soft as ****. That's why. Not too much stiffer than stock rates.
Normally, softer rates reduce the odds of a bouncy ride.

If it's bouncy, increase the shock damping. That is the point of adjustable shocks after all, to adjust them for the weight and spring rates of the vehicle.
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