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[PROJECT LOG] 1996 LX Coupe 5 speed

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Old Sep 1, 2011 | 08:54 AM
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Alright, so I've been doing some soul searching and trying to make a decision on just what to do with this car of mine, so last night I sat down and typed up a quick task list of things I would like to do with this car.

As a brief recap, this car presently has 198600 km's so an engine rebuild is definitely in the cards. I'm thinking about sticking with the same F22B2 engine, using high compression pistons, lightweight connecting rods, valves, stiffer valve springs and a more aggressive cam profile. I've been reading through some of the frankensteining threads, and might look into using a F23A6 head (I think thats the one), as it has a better flow pattern for more performance. The reason for not sticking with the stock low compression internals is nothing more than not wanting to deal with the sophistication of adding a turbo set up. More moving parts = more opportunity for something to break down.

I'm not looking to generate huge HP/TQ numbers out of the F22B2, I'd like to sit somewhere around 160/175 HP and about 150 TQ. I use this car as a daily driver, so it doesn't need to be really all that exotic.

Basically, more than anything I just want the engine to breath; I/E/H should take care of most of it, and figured I would add a bit of oomph to the engine potential as well. I'm going to be upgrading the clutch to a stage 1 and adding a lightened flywheel.

Bisimoto also has a cam and cam gear for this head which I think I will invest in.

I'm pretty happy with the gearing in the transmission as it is, so I'll see how it handles after the power upgrades are done, I would like though to add a LSD not sure if that's possible with the current transmission I have.

I've been doing some initial research into bolt on's from other engines and would like to know the following compatibility:

1) Air intake manifolds, throttle bodies
2) Exhaust manifolds, downpipes
3) Fuel rails, injectors, pumps
4) ECU that can tie all of this together

I'm going to be putting most of the money in this project towards suspension, brakes (along with 4->5 lug hub conversion) and running gear (wheels/tires).

Power can always be had down the road, if I were so inclined, it wouldn't be hard to bolt on a scrapyard turbo kit and put a low amount of boost on the engine (the high CR pistons I'm looking at from bisimoto are also compatible with boosted set ups), on top of the parts it would just need maybe an ECU reflash and definitely a tune.

I plan on doing this on the cheap, and budgeting no more than $6000 or so for everything: engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, wheels/tires, interior, body work. I'm going to be doing 99% of the work myself, and sourcing as much as I can from wreckers and people on these forums. There will be some parts I will buy new like engine internals, carpet etc. What I won't be able to do myself is bodywork/paint and alignment once the new wheels and tires are on.

So stay tuned, I will be updating this thread with pictures and information as I move forward!

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Old Sep 1, 2011 | 07:16 PM
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Default Re: [PROJECT LOG] 1996 LX Coupe 5 speed

correction*
1) intake manifold, throttle body
2) Exhaust manifold, down pipe
3) Fuel Rail,pump

Cheap, fast, reliable

Pick two
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Old Sep 1, 2011 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ilikehonda
correction*
1) intake manifold, throttle body
2) Exhaust manifold, down pipe
3) Fuel Rail,pump

Cheap, fast, reliable

Pick two
Not sure I follow exactly, could you elaborate please?
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 09:09 AM
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Default Re: [PROJECT LOG] 1996 LX Coupe 5 speed

you want cheap, fast and reliable. you cant have all 3. if its cheap its not reliable, and if its fast it aint cheap. pick 2
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 09:22 AM
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fast and cheap= not reliable
fast and reliable= not cheap
cheap and realiable= not fast

nothing can be that perfect.

moving on to my question, any interior exterior plans for it? trying to get some cheap but decent looking ideas for my car on a highschool budget, just want it to look kinda cool and unique for my last year.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 01:34 PM
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Default Re: [PROJECT LOG] 1996 LX Coupe 5 speed

I went over pricing today and just looking at everything I was going to be spending on a friggen F-Series engine was over $4k. I'd be better off buying a JDM engine + transmission combo and just swap it in and be done with it, tops 2500/3000 for an already assembled and broken in engine.

So that basically leaves $5k for suspension, brakes, bodywork and paint, and interior.

@jesse_j: I found this which I'm not sure about: Leather Seat Covers. These supposedly replace the stock material on the seats, so when I have that stripped off I'll just redo the material underneath, in essence rebuilding the seats. Between that, a JDM black leather shift boot (with matching red stitching) and the accompanying e-brake boot/handle, and maybe a JDM wood grain center console + some vinyl dye paint you could have a whole new interior for around $1000.00. Get a new carpet off ebay for a couple hundred bucks and youre all set.
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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 08:49 AM
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spend the 2500-3000 to boost the F. make more power than a JDM engine and still be reliable.
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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 10:26 AM
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lol, 2500-3000 to boost an engine with nearly 200k km's on it? I'd much rather spend that money on a lower km engine that produces the numbers I am looking to achieve, which I stated before was 175 or so HP, 150-160 TQ. A JDM H22A stock has 200 HP and 160 TQ, and high compression.

I've always been a fan of all motor over boost. Yes, all motor costs a lot more money for the same amount of power gain, however it is intrinsically more reliable. Another thing too, is that boosted engines are way more high maintenance than a non boosted engine.

With stock numbers of 200/160 those numbers can be slightly increased simply by changing the air intake, exhaust manifold and a catback exhaust (20-30 hp to the wheels with all 3) and another 5-10 torque (these are just ballpark figures but pretty realistic).

Plus why would anyone waste the money at topping out the potential on an engine when the same amount of money could be spent to get a significant upgrade over existing + way more potential? Just my opinion, and again it depends on the circumstances. If the F engine in my car had 100k fewer km's on it, it would be worth considering.
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