Can anyone tell what kind of front brakes these are?
I've been deciding on whether to go 5 lug for better brake options I.e. Spoon or type s brembo however I've seen this pic of a hatch ....these front disks look massive ....what could they be? I can't tell if they're 4x100 or 4x114 http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...aXfEVCxdlVinAQ
oh that would make sense as to why no one was able to tell...... on a good note i was able to find out they were 11" oem prelude rotors and 10" rear oem ep3 rotors, now do ep3 calipers/knuckles just bolt up to an eg? the brakes section doesnt really have much info...... people hardly even post on it
so they bolt up to the knuckle just like that?! wow thanks for the info, having the larger set up i imagine would make more of a difference than gsr rears, what about with the front prelude set up. other than redrilling the rotors to fit 4x100 how do you go as to modify the 5lug caliper to fit a gsr knuckle?
I have an Integra and have not researched the differences. Legend and NSX calipers will work in front with bracket modification to center the caliper over appropriate rotors. Rotors can be redrilled 5 lug to 4. Ep3 and Type R calipers work in the rear with appropriate rotors. Brackets and kits from FastBrakes and others. Search FastBrakes for ideas and parts. Search threads by BrakeExpert this site and you will find most of what you need, fitment and parts.
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so they bolt up to the knuckle just like that?! wow thanks for the info, having the larger set up i imagine would make more of a difference than gsr rears, what about with the front prelude set up. other than redrilling the rotors to fit 4x100 how do you go as to modify the 5lug caliper to fit a gsr knuckle?
How to: 11 inch brakes on 3rd gen
I am going to address the rotor choice for this upgrade. The 92-96 Prelude VTEC rotor with the 4x114.3 lug pattern is the best choice for two reasons:
1) Redrilling a 5x114.3mm lug pattern to a 4x100mm lug pattern will overlap at least one hole. The 4x114.3mm rotor can be redrilled to a 4x100 pattern with no hole overlap.
2) The center bore of the stock Integra front rotors is 64mm. The 5x114.3mm rotors (ITR) have a 70mm center bore, which can lead to the rotor not being centered and an assembly imbalance on the Integra 64mm hub. The 92-96 Prelude VTEC rotors have the correct 64mm center bore.
Regarding the shims, they should be pad specific, and the three cars that you mentioned share the same pads.
1) Redrilling a 5x114.3mm lug pattern to a 4x100mm lug pattern will overlap at least one hole. The 4x114.3mm rotor can be redrilled to a 4x100 pattern with no hole overlap.
2) The center bore of the stock Integra front rotors is 64mm. The 5x114.3mm rotors (ITR) have a 70mm center bore, which can lead to the rotor not being centered and an assembly imbalance on the Integra 64mm hub. The 92-96 Prelude VTEC rotors have the correct 64mm center bore.
Regarding the shims, they should be pad specific, and the three cars that you mentioned share the same pads.
dogginator i noticed you posted on that link you sent me, when milling the caliper i cant see the before and after pics i just wanted to know if you could clarify it for me? do yiu shave off on the side where the pads are or the other side? i just want to make sure i do it right the first time, thanks for the help
If you shave/mill the inside to widen the opening, you still have the caliper off center over the rotor. It will work, but not best. If you do the knuckle mating surface, then you have to be precise on a milling machine, or buy milled brackets from Fastbrakes. FastBrakes also supplies hubcentric rings for the larger rotors. I found the brackets the hardest part. I got Fastbrakes HD 11" rotors with hubcentric rings and have used the rings over and over, many times. I use the 28mm thick rotors like Legend or NSX for the increased mass and heat tolerance on the track. If you are not tracking, the you may not want the thicker rotors. You can drill your own rotors with a good template and drill press. You will still need the hubcentric rings.
thanks for the info i really appreciate it, on the link above this guy tried out 07 mini cooper rotors that are 11" and 4x100 so no redrilling needed! plus it fits the hub no problem. do you have any before after pics? im more of a visual guy lol
In addition to the above site, I found these useful. Sorry I did not include them at the very first, but I had to find my list.
http://www.team-integra.net/forum/18...r-upgrade.html
https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/nsx-brake-calipers-my-4x100-gs-r-2741054/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/its-done-10-3%22-ep3-rear-disc-conversion-ek-mc-ek-info-1090780/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/itr-23t-bracket-milling-question-dc2-application-2738136/
One other said "updating article" when I just checked, but it was good also. Hope it is available for you.
http://www.team-integra.net/forum/bl...stall-how.html
3 methods compared, grinding inside, spacers, and milling knuckle mating surface. I think the last is best. Pictures are scattered in some articles, others have outdated.
http://www.team-integra.net/forum/18...r-upgrade.html
https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/nsx-brake-calipers-my-4x100-gs-r-2741054/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/its-done-10-3%22-ep3-rear-disc-conversion-ek-mc-ek-info-1090780/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/itr-23t-bracket-milling-question-dc2-application-2738136/
One other said "updating article" when I just checked, but it was good also. Hope it is available for you.
http://www.team-integra.net/forum/bl...stall-how.html
3 methods compared, grinding inside, spacers, and milling knuckle mating surface. I think the last is best. Pictures are scattered in some articles, others have outdated.
this is great !!!! appreciate it a lot, stock vx brakes do the job but i will be tracking when i get some more stuff and bigger brakes will help out quite a bit id say
have you done this brake mod yourself? i ask onky to get feedback, i think im going to go with the legend 2p. i do know that when upgrading to larger brakes its advised to get the larger mrake resevoir/integra master cylinder along with the 40/40 prop valve..... i was talking to a friend and he was trying to convince me that doing that is a waste of money but im going to get the parts just because i imagine stock vx brake r/mc/prop valve werent designed for disks all around
'95 Integra with '94 NSX front and RSX rear. FastBrake 11" plain HD rotor front and EP3 rear. I found RSX rear calipers at a good price at a parts yard. It is a pain to unbolt the rear caliper and suspend it upside down to bleed 1 or 2 times per track season. Type R rear calipers fit without that, but I could not find them at reasonable cost when needed. That said, you may not need to upgrade the rears, but adjust the pads to fine tune the f-r proportion. I used my standard MC 15/16, booster and kept ABS/prooportioning. When my MC eventually leaked, about 200k miles, I replaced it with 1" which is available as a rebuild and still fits my booster and stock fittings. I won't bore you, but the pistons on the NSX caliper use less volume then the larger single piston from the Integra, and therefore I did not need a larger MC. I do not know your specifics, of MC and proportioning, so am not suggesting anything there. Proportioning seems to be a lot related to car weight and shifting of weight, not just brakes, so your proportioning may be ok. As noted you can somewhat shift proportions by using different grip pads front to rear.
Some Civic stuff, not exactly yours, but may help.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...Integra+brakes
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/how-put-x-brakes-your-96-00-ek-civic-revised-upgrade-chart-1513752/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...Integra+brakes
Looks like for your car weight a straight Integra upgrade would be most cost efficient. You could do the rest later if you still have money to burn. Integra non-type R is relatively inexpensive, and the larger stuff not so much. If you go down this line you will probably need Integra front and rear knuckles and attachments anyway. If you have a 13/16 MC, you may need a MC upgrade, and them will need matching booster and probably proportion.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...Integra+brakes
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/how-put-x-brakes-your-96-00-ek-civic-revised-upgrade-chart-1513752/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...Integra+brakes
Looks like for your car weight a straight Integra upgrade would be most cost efficient. You could do the rest later if you still have money to burn. Integra non-type R is relatively inexpensive, and the larger stuff not so much. If you go down this line you will probably need Integra front and rear knuckles and attachments anyway. If you have a 13/16 MC, you may need a MC upgrade, and them will need matching booster and probably proportion.
Last edited by Drive 4 fun; Jun 4, 2011 at 07:26 PM. Reason: added
dogginator i noticed you posted on that link you sent me, when milling the caliper i cant see the before and after pics i just wanted to know if you could clarify it for me? do yiu shave off on the side where the pads are or the other side? i just want to make sure i do it right the first time, thanks for the help
so does anyone know if with the legend calipers/11" rotors will clear stock rims like blades? im hoping they will because i dont have another set due to lack of funds......gotta love being broke.
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