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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 03:31 PM
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I have a b16 paired with a ls tranny.. I know that's what kills me but I'm wondering whther to buy a gsr or a b16 tranny. I also have read many threads on builds but I'm wondering what are some of your choices or opinions on what's the best ways to make more power . Whther it be going lsv or turbo etc. Also what's the cheapest way to go lsvtec when I already have the b16 head. I have achipped p28 ecu and am wondering what else I would need.



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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 03:35 PM
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i would def go boost. the other best bang for the buck would be nitrous. An all motor build will always have my respect, but in terms of dollar for dollar, boost or nitrous would be the way to go
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 03:41 PM
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Get a B16 tranny with an upgraded final drive (4.785 or 4.9).

Makes a WORLD of difference with NO tuning necessary.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sk8shorty012
Get a B16 tranny with an upgraded final drive (4.785 or 4.9).

Makes a WORLD of difference with NO tuning necessary.
That was my first thought exactly. Also be sure to get LSD, it will make the handling improve as well. After that Boost/Nitrous would be the next "best" mods as far as power for the money goes. B16's NA are never anything special unless they have extensive internal and head work done. No displacement=no torque. No torque=no power.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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Yup very first thing has to be tranny. And u can make some decent power just by simple things like solid mounts, good strong clutch, i/h/e, and other bolt ons like im, boost more fuel with msd ignition and good plugs. All pretty cheap to gain power. And you will feel the difference too.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 08:40 PM
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well what i have so far is :

- B16a swap w/ls tranny
- dolid innovative mounts
- the clutch is def aftermarket dk exactly what but grabs very hard
- jumper harness to obd1 chipped p28

im def changing the plugs wires cap rotor etc asap, i also fall out of vtec unless im like 8 grand then even i still feel like i do, because of the tranny so i need to pick one up asap,

my car is daily driven very much, so i kinda dont wanna go boost but if i go nitrous i feel it would be better for my motor, by not being used all the time.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 09:10 PM
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If its daily driven, go wit a gsr tranny. Not too short but also its not long. IMO, its amazing. Good for turbo too.

Running nitrous IMO is worse than turbo. Cuz if you dont use it right, and use too big of a shot, youll fry your engine in time. Rgardless if you use it once in a while. You have to know when, how much, and how to use it for it to be effective.
You can go turbo and just give it nice street tune, and that would be good for daily driving. Also will give you better MPG's.

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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 11:02 PM
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MSD doesn't do anything on a Honda. OEM everything for your tune up. You can get full OEM tune up kits on ebay for discount or you can get NGK wires on amazon.com for cheaper than anywhere else. Never use MSD.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 11:13 PM
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MSD doesn't do anything on a Honda. OEM everything for your tune up. You can get full OEM tune up kits on ebay for discount or you can get NGK wires on amazon.com for cheaper than anywhere else. Never use MSD.
Yes ur right. Im wrong lol. Msd is a waste. Just talked to my homie and he said it didnt do crap to his car, that he sold the kit and his car still felt the same. My bad.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 11:18 PM
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Theres tons of shops that sell ngk wires and oem caps and rotors and stuff for dirt, you just gotta look around and try to find the hidden shops. I bought my NGK wires wit brand new plugs for 45 bux from a shop out here in cali ive been goin to for a while now.
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by EJ1_CRIS_909
Yes ur right. Im wrong lol. Msd is a waste. Just talked to my homie and he said it didnt do crap to his car, that he sold the kit and his car still felt the same. My bad.
Honda makes VERY good OEM parts, especially ignition parts. The Sumitomo wires that come from Honda are even better than NGK wires. It's in the numbers, not your friends perception. With Honda, if it's not OEM, than it's a waste of money. Just search on google....

Sumitomo>NGK>Nology>MSD
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 09:11 AM
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Very true about honda's ignition system. I used to love people showing up to meets with their nology wires and thinking they just did a 20 whp mod.
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 11:41 AM
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Well of course honda makes better parts than anything else.
Oem parts are always better than aftermarket when it comes to function and reliability.
And who said anything bout my friends perceptions? I just said that he took his msd off and it ran the same. Im pretty sure anyone would feel a difference in their car.

Sounds like YOU just came back from a google seach and posted all that like you knew it all along
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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And who said anything bout my friends perceptions? I just said that he took his msd off and it ran the same. Im pretty sure anyone would feel a difference in their car.
I thought you were being sarcastic there.

But you're not making sense. If he took off the msd and it ran the same, then how would ANYONE feel the difference on their car? From that, you're saying your friend doesn't know how his car should feel.


Originally Posted by EJ1_CRIS_909
Well of course honda makes better parts than anything else.
Oem parts are always better than aftermarket when it comes to function and reliability.
And who said anything bout my friends perceptions? I just said that he took his msd off and it ran the same. Im pretty sure anyone would feel a difference in their car.

Sounds like YOU just came back from a google seach and posted all that like you knew it all along
I do Google searches all the time. It's something most people don't do and come on forums asking for help looking for a straight answer in the first reply. And why would I do a Google search on ignition parts when this is about making power on a B16? You act like you were born with the knowledge that Honda parts are better than anything else.
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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Dam i really have to break this down for you.
Ok well, He had it on his car along wit some other aftermarket/oem bolt ons.
Took it off, ran the same, and seen it didnt make a difference the whole time. It was the other parts that did.

Ok what exactly Makes me "born with knowlege". I stated in another post "yes ur right, msd dont do ****, i was wrong' and you kept going on. You went from ngk, to sumitomo.

I honestly trust both. Ive used oem and ngk and they both do the job well. Cant really feel a difference because theyre only wires and not made to make power. But alot of reputeable honda techs in my area say ngk is well worth the money. The numbers for ngk vs sumitomo are so small its runs almost the same.

So back to the person who posted this thread: For tune ups, if you dont mind spening extra for oem wires, go for it. Nothing beats oem. But if you wanna save anywhere arounf 10-15 bux, go for ngk wires, and oem cap/rotor. Theyre both well constructed, its just one is a lil cheaper than the other.
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 12:35 PM
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JEEzus! Let's not get the OPs thread locked with bickering okay? Not that his first post couldn't have been answered with a little research.
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 12:40 PM
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JEEzus! Let's not get the OPs thread locked with bickering okay? Not that his first post couldn't have been answered with a little research.
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