eg6madness

i have 2 choices in front of me. since i already own a D15B. i can take that and boost it, with pistons, rods, cam, and a shot of nitrous, and all the other goodies to make it fast. or i can get a B16 with a Type-R gearbox, chipped ECU, and build on that (which will take more time to save the money).

If i build the D15B i can do it all now.

What do you guys suggest?
How fast can i make the D15B and would it be worth it?
Would i be fun to drive?

Wickedsol94

I say B16 hands down. Besides the extra stick, the extremly short gear ratios make you pick up speed so much faster. I wouldnt bother with the money for a ITR tranny, it will benefit you very little if at all. B16 is geared a bit better with exception for the final drive. Correct me if im wrong here.

But you're going with 2 low displacement motors, and there is only 2 ways to get good power out of them. Engine speed and forced induction. So the D15B with pistons,rods could probably handle a good 200hp shot. So for the same money the D15 would sprint quite a bit faster and earn some respect over the twin cammers. But Nos is just borrowed power. And a NA D series on a low buck build and the shitty trannys, makes it a lot less fun.

B16

Amount of usable power: 5
Amount of "borrowed" power: 0
Gear ratios/accelration: 8
Gas milage: 4
Cost: 5

D15B

Amount of Useable power: 3
Amount of "borrowed" power: 7
Gear ratios/accelration: 4
Gas Milage: 7
Cost: 5


Just to break it down a bit farther. I have to help A LOT of people at my school. Should I go ls/vtec or vtec-T? H23 or H22? ext. Just some of my thoughts and I hope they help.

When I first swapped my motor and started building, I was in the same boat. So been there done that.

93supercoupe

he wants to turbo them, not spray.

The B16 will make more power on either or.

And more reliable.

eg6madness

hey thanks.

Wickedsol94:- the B16 is already equiped with the Type-R Box....i am buying it from a guy that broke his B16 box and bought the R box.

if i go B16 i more than likely will spray on it . actually i may do all the same things as i would do the D15,, just that i will have to save the money for all those goodies. I may even switch it to LS/CRV vtec by mid Nov.
If i build the D15 i will do all that stuff now.

I love spray, although it is borrowed HP, and it can weaken the block faster. but i will only use when racing.

The thing that has me soooo confused is that i have 2 D15B Vtec motors ( when i bought my car the guy gave me all that stuff)

nickromeo

im pretty sure eagle doenst make off the shelf rods for d15.

so if u make any power with it ull be fucked, then again theres doods makin a million hp now on stock d series

so who even knwos.

b16 has the aweseomer tranny

eg6madness

I want to turbo the D so badly. i want to prove a point but i dont want it to be a bust. i dont want to spend and be slow.

4potnick

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg6madness &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey thanks.

Wickedsol94:- the B16 is already equiped with the Type-R Box....i am buying it from a guy that broke his B16 box and bought the R box.

if i go B16 i more than likely will spray on it . actually i may do all the same things as i would do the D15,, just that i will have to save the money for all those goodies. I may even switch it to LS/CRV vtec by mid Nov.
If i build the D15 i will do all that stuff now.

I love spray, although it is borrowed HP, and it can weaken the block faster. but i will only use when racing.

The thing that has me soooo confused is that i have 2 D15B Vtec motors ( when i bought my car the guy gave me all that stuff)</TD></TR></TABLE>rods are the same as d16 but nobody makes pistons.

MR EK

i have a EK with a D16y8.........im still waiting on the funds to get my turbo.......once i get it ill post up links and 1/4 mile times........then you will have something to compare to.......also spend good money on building your d15.......cuz it wont last long if you dont.

also how much power do u want to make?

eg6madness

well power i guess is relative. what i want is for my car to be quick and put down mid 11s- low 12s.

WickedHonda00

This discussion could help me out in similar ways. I'm actually goin B16 Turbo. I have the swap done, however, I need to rebuild my block, since it's basically crap from a salvage yard. If you decide to go B16, maybe we can get together and decide the "best" parts available to build an awesome turbo setup. I already know most of my setup, I just have to buy the damn parts, which are gonna set me back atleast $2000 for the block, and probably $1500 for the turbo kit, and another $2000 for suspension, axles, a different clutch (ACT 4 puck w/ extreme pressure plate sucks butt for street use) and Hondata w/ injectors. I'm actually looking to get similar times with my car, which will take 350whp with a peaky powerband in my case. (2000 model Boat Coupe) I'm looking to boost 18psi as the high boost setting on 93 octane, and 10psi on a daily basis using an SC61, which is absolutely the largest turbo I think a 1.6L should use in order to have a decent spool. Again, if you want to go B16, I'd be interested in brainstorming with you.

eg6madness

look like i will join u soon..... my d15 vtec just died. so instead of rebuilding i will just go B16.

175Shot4Door

they do to make pistons haha

RyanEJ8

B16 = gay
B16 without boost = majorly gay

If you're going to spend alot of money on a pricey DOHC swap, get yourself a B18.

Personally I vote for a D16 swap + boost, ftw!

Hella_Fresh

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanEJ8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B16 = gay
B16 without boost = majorly gay

If you're going to spend alot of money on a pricey DOHC swap, get yourself a B18.

Personally I vote for a D16 swap + boost, ftw! </TD></TR></TABLE>

b16 is still the tourqeless B series!!!
boost it, and still have no tourqe only HP number. member tourqe gets your down the road.

if you were going to boost out of those 2, go D series.. its cheaper and you can walk on b16 turbos if you do it right.

but like the post above said, get a b18 if you really want b series boost

JDM92Bubble

I don't think a d-series will walk on a b6 unless the D is built the b16 isn't. B16 has a better tranny and if you run them both stock b16 will win and if you build both of them b16 will still win. The only thing I do agree on is the D is cheaper to build. All those ppl that think torque is the best thing to much torque aint great cause you'll spin which will suck ***. The b16 is probably the best street motor to build if not the best. ImportBuilders did a write up on it back in the day saying the b16 is the best street motor period.

Hella_Fresh

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM92Bubble &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think a d-series will walk on a b6 unless the D is built the b16 isn't. B16 has a better tranny and if you run them both stock b16 will win and if you build both of them b16 will still win. The only thing I do agree on is the D is cheaper to build. All those ppl that think torque is the best thing to much torque aint great cause you'll spin which will suck ***. The b16 is probably the best street motor to build if not the best. ImportBuilders did a write up on it back in the day saying the b16 is the best street motor period. </TD></TR></TABLE>

when you blow up a b16, it will cost more then a d series long block cost. If you build a MILD b16 and a fully built d16... they both will hold the boost, but the d series is going to last longer. you can daily drive a fully build d series at 15psi will little money at all, but take the same set up and put it in a b16, and thats going to cost you a hell of alot more money.

get a b18 and boost it.

oh and for d series walking on b series... iv seen it done.

JDM92Bubble

look i didn't say a B is cheaper then a D if you run both setups stock, mildly built, or built the B is just the better motor. And again for those D's that you have seen walk over B's 1. they probably were boosting a **** load more. 2. The D was worked and the B wasn't . Or 3 the B series guy probably couldn't drive. My point is we all know B-series are gonna cost more then a D but I'm just sick and tired of ppl bashing the B16 when it's the best street motor out there. The swap is cheap and boost goes great with it. I'm not a D series hater **** I'm in still debating on whether to switch to a D because it is cheaper. But for EG6madness if your looking for a fun street car either motor will be fine just comes down to cash. Peace

nonvtecD

If I had a nickel for everytime I stumble across the same thread on HT well... You get the idea. Do whatever the F you want, everything has ups and downs and you're never going to know how anything goes unless you do it. Who cares what people on the internet have to say including me it's your car do what you want.

JDM92Bubble

I like the way nonvtecD put it.

EK k kay

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM92Bubble &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just sick and tired of ppl bashing the B16 when it's the best street motor out there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How the hell did ever you come up with that silly conclusion?

JDM92Bubble

contact ImportBuilders and ask them how the hell they came up with that silly conclusion. peace

Hella_Fresh

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How the hell did ever you come up with that silly conclusion?</TD></TR></TABLE>

BHAAHHAHAHA

whateves. iv had a b16 and b18. b18 was better. b16s are gay, but do whatever you want.

thehatchninja

turbo D....and never look back.

RyanEJ8

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM92Bubble &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but I'm just sick and tired of ppl bashing the B16 when it's the best street motor out there. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The LS7 is the best street motor out there.

Hella_Fresh

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The LS7 is the best street motor out there. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i was leaning towards the all mighty d15b2