I recently bought and installed a b16a2 in my 92 civic hatch . after installation the mechanic told me he thought I had a gen1 with grey connectors due to some of the sensor locations. It did come with the cable ys1 tranny and supposely a obd1 ecu (which I havent checked). Well I contacted the sellers and explained everything I have found out and they insured me it was a true gen2 and it come out a 93 integra da6\8 sir. if proven wrong they owe me some money back . I am not that well educated on the engine i purchased (unfortunately) but I am learning can some one help me out with this ???????????????

 

it sounds like you bought an OBD1 1st gen B16A out of a JDM 92 integra XSI. although it is OBD1, it is only rated at 160 HP vs the 2nd gen 168 HP and it comes with a cable tranny. since you have a 92 civic then they should have sent you a 2nd gen B16A w/ hydro tranny.

although the motor you have is OBD1 it is still a 1st gen B16A.

 

did these integra xsi< have the grey connectors on the harness wires and was the map sensor located on the fire wall instead of the throttle body ?????

 

below the engine code
does the block number start with a 1 or a 5

b16a
1xxxxxx

or

b16a
5xxxxxx

 

You can't tell that way. Some cable and hydro both came with 5-million serial numbers.

He did get the rare (kinda) obd-1 b16 swap for the late DA integra. Where did you buy this from??


[Modified by nsxmatt, 10:07 PM 9/18/2002]

 

dude you got screwed, call them back and demand your $$ back. then call steve at Hondamotorsonline.com, he'll hook you up with some real b16a sir2

 

ya never know, i have a early run 2nd gen b16a2 (head was stamped in 91) i have the 2nd gen cams/oil rails/cable tranny/pistons etc.. etc.. but my motor had 1st gen intermediate shaft and axles/1st gen throttle body firewall mounted MAP) and a few other things...


[Modified by FnkyChnkyMnky, 10:35 PM 9/18/2002]

 

Yes there was a 2nd production of the first gen B16 that was an OBDI grey plug setup and had a cable tranny which sounds like what you got. It was in the JDM 92-93 Integra XSi and is basically the equivalent to the US 92-93 GSR B17.

 

through a company called Speed Garage..

 

I'll add my $2.00 into this thread....

Yes, from the sound of it, you did get an OBD1/2nd Gen 170hp B16A engine, problem is you got the one from a DA/XSi or RSi integra which is cable tranny equipped.

See if the place you bought your engine/trans from will take and/or trade the YS1 tranny back for a Hydro B16A tranny; that's the one you need in order for it to bolt right into your EG chassis without hassle....the cable tranny will not bolt into an EG chassis without one of those Hasport calbe-tranny-kits for hydro tranny'd chassis's. You might wanna trade the axles back too, since DA axles differ slightly than 92+ DOHC VTEC axles, including the intermediate shaft. good luck.

 

Unless you use both the 90-93 int. shaft and 90-93 axles, then it will work. That's what i'm using.

 

....i stand corrected

 

Yeah but who knew about the obd 1 PR3? Yes, you did and I didn't so there ya go!

 

heh, well if sit there and think about it, OBD1 began in late 91/early 92 Honda's, in Japan & the US; so, anything 92-95 is OBD1....whether the chassis changed or not, which is why honda's weird like that! I stopped trying to understand Honda's unorthodox ways a long time ago!




[Modified by Katman, 4:28 PM 9/19/2002]

 

I believe it's a OBD1 PW0 chip. PR3s are all non OBD.

 

another false peice of information.
There IS an OBD1 PR3 ECU that infact comes with the 92-93 DA XSi/RSi chassis in Japan. The OBD1 PR3 ecu is equivilent to these OBD1 ecu's:
P30
P61 (b17a ecu)
P28 (minus the knock sensor board)
P29 (a JDM ecu that's the same as a P28, but just has different part number)
P91 (another JDM ecu thats exactly like a P28; just a differnt part number)

Here's a pic of one:



[Modified by Katman, 4:39 PM 9/19/2002]


[Modified by Katman, 4:42 PM 9/19/2002]

 

And i'm running one in my 92 hatch right now also. I thought I got a non-obd ecu but it had obd-1 plugs and I asked kat and sure enough he was right!

 

I stand corrected.