$254.00 Oil Pan?!
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My oil pan was stripped the last time I took my car to get the oil changed and wanted to replace the oil pan myself soon, so I called my local Honda dealership this afternoon and asked for a price quote on a 2005 Honda Civic Ex Oil Pan. He told me it was $254.00 and that it came with no gasket so it needed a sealant which was another $15.00. My question is, is this the right price for just the oil pan? When replacing the oil pan, does it need a gasket or just the sealant?
Yes, it's the correct list price; you can also buy them over the internet at wholesale price plus shipping from various online Honda dealership parts departments. Aluminum pans (as found on the D17A2) are always much more expensive than their steel counterparts (as found on the D17A1). Unfortunately, they are usually more susceptible to stripping.
And you were informed correctly - the aluminum pan for the D17A2 does not require a gasket. Use Hondabond HT or Honda Ultra Flange Sealant.
This is why you shouldn't have your oil changed at a quick-lube type shop. Most of them will never change the aluminum crush washer, and they almost invariably over-torque the drain plug, causing damage to the threads in the pan.
To avoid this problem in the future, change your own oil or have it changed by a Honda independent specialist or Honda dealership. Replace the aluminum crush washer on the drain plug with a new one every time you reinstall it, and never torque the drain plug to more than 31 lb-ft.
And you were informed correctly - the aluminum pan for the D17A2 does not require a gasket. Use Hondabond HT or Honda Ultra Flange Sealant.
This is why you shouldn't have your oil changed at a quick-lube type shop. Most of them will never change the aluminum crush washer, and they almost invariably over-torque the drain plug, causing damage to the threads in the pan.
To avoid this problem in the future, change your own oil or have it changed by a Honda independent specialist or Honda dealership. Replace the aluminum crush washer on the drain plug with a new one every time you reinstall it, and never torque the drain plug to more than 31 lb-ft.
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Yes, it's the correct list price; you can also buy them over the internet at wholesale price plus shipping from various online Honda dealership parts departments. Aluminum pans (as found on the D17A2) are always much more expensive than their steel counterparts (as found on the D17A1). Unfortunately, they are usually more susceptible to stripping.
And you were informed correctly - the aluminum pan for the D17A2 does not require a gasket. Use Hondabond HT or Honda Ultra Flange Sealant.
This is why you shouldn't have your oil changed at a quick-lube type shop. Most of them will never change the aluminum crush washer, and they almost invariably over-torque the drain plug, causing damage to the threads in the pan.
To avoid this problem in the future, change your own oil or have it changed by a Honda independent specialist or Honda dealership. Replace the aluminum crush washer on the drain plug with a new one every time you reinstall it, and never torque the drain plug to more than 31 lb-ft.
And you were informed correctly - the aluminum pan for the D17A2 does not require a gasket. Use Hondabond HT or Honda Ultra Flange Sealant.
This is why you shouldn't have your oil changed at a quick-lube type shop. Most of them will never change the aluminum crush washer, and they almost invariably over-torque the drain plug, causing damage to the threads in the pan.
To avoid this problem in the future, change your own oil or have it changed by a Honda independent specialist or Honda dealership. Replace the aluminum crush washer on the drain plug with a new one every time you reinstall it, and never torque the drain plug to more than 31 lb-ft.
Yea trust me this is the last time I take it to get my oil changed. I'm doing it myself from now on. Thanks a lot guys!
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Thanks a lot!
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Unless he can prove that every single oil change on his car was performed by this same shop, they aren't liable for anything. This type of problem usually isn't caused by the last person to have touched it, but rather from a repetitive history of improper care.
I've done a number of oil changes on customers' cars where the threads came out of the oil pan along with the drain plug as I was removing it. (Usually these cars will have a warning sign: an ancient crush washer that is squashed flat as a pancake from being re-used dozens of times and overtorqued on nearly every occasion.) Even though the pan stripped while I was working on the car, I shouldn't be liable for the damage as I'm not the one who caused it. Nobody likes to be saddled with someone else's screw-ups.
I've done a number of oil changes on customers' cars where the threads came out of the oil pan along with the drain plug as I was removing it. (Usually these cars will have a warning sign: an ancient crush washer that is squashed flat as a pancake from being re-used dozens of times and overtorqued on nearly every occasion.) Even though the pan stripped while I was working on the car, I shouldn't be liable for the damage as I'm not the one who caused it. Nobody likes to be saddled with someone else's screw-ups.
If it were me, and a customer immediately accused me of damaging the pan and demanded that I pay for it, I would be just a little suspect of their motives. How do I know that they weren't already aware of the problem, and are just trying to screw me for a free oil pan?
At some point, you have to assume ownership of the car along with its service history and problems, resultant or random. Don't expect everyone else to have to cover your misfortune like an insurance policy.
I would make them pay for it but if you go to autozone it is 104.99 for an after market one.they have the gasket too the most expensive one is 41.99 and the cheapest is 24.99. oem parts are as good if not better than original ones and are cheaper. I go to autozone for all my parts and I cant complain.
to the guy with the michanical knowledge as a michanic. you are WRONG!!! i would never go to your shop. I belive as a Michanic I am soppose to help people not rip them off for more money. look I dont mean to be an ***. Ive been working on cars since I was 14 and I belive that My knowlege that GOD gave me is for helping people not braking something else to make them pay for another job that I caused from over tightening that screw
I would make them pay for it but if you go to autozone it is 104.99 for an after market one.they have the gasket too the most expensive one is 41.99 and the cheapest is 24.99. oem parts are as good if not better than original ones and are cheaper. I go to autozone for all my parts and I cant complain.
You know what's even more amusing to me? Honda sells that same steel pan for $60 list, and you can buy one online for even less than that. Only a sucker would buy that aftermarket pan without first checking the price on OE. How do you like AutoZone now?
Way to recommend someone else to get ripped off . . .
to the guy with the michanical knowledge as a michanic. you are WRONG!!! i would never go to your shop. I belive as a Michanic I am soppose to help people not rip them off for more money. look I dont mean to be an ***. Ive been working on cars since I was 14 and I belive that My knowlege that GOD gave me is for helping people not braking something else to make them pay for another job that I caused from over tightening that screw
Come back and try bolster your words after you get a real job as a real technician, kid. And no, cranking down drain plugs with an impact gun at Quick-E Lube doesn't count for real world experience.
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