I want to put a performance timing belt on my B18C1 preferably a blue one I was looking at the gates racing belt and the Greddy belt. They are both blue and up their in price very expensive. I was wondering if anyone has any info on either of them or used and had one on before. Just curious which is better or if their the same quality? thanks cranker

 

Unless your turning high rpms and high compression or boost. Neither is worth the money in my opinion.

 

I've seen 600hp b series running stock belts. I doubt you'll need it.

 

agreed

 

do you really need a performance timing belt? if not and you really just want a colored belt then waste your money on whatever you want.

 

yeah the stock Gates belt is a very good belt. no need to run something special unless you are running high compression or boost, like TheCivicMafia said.

just wondering, where are you located?

 

Instead of posting a new thread, I'll bring this back for a bit...

I'm looking at the gates blue timing belts and I'm seeing that they have a D16Z6 racing belt but the D15Z1 (VX) doesn't say anything about racing. I'm boosting a JDM D15B and I'm trying to find a good belt. Any other idea's over the Gates belt?

 

Unless you've done extreme modifications to the head, the stock belt will meet your performance needs. That said, if you feel that you are stressing your belt beyond the design specifications, by all means, shorten the change interval on the belt, and/or check the belt for stretching.

I don't even think that crazy high boost is a good reason to buy a stiffer belt (Assuming that the blue belts are any better than the black ones.)

Let's do some very crude calculations: with 30 psi of boost, the static pressure on each valve is increased by about 60lb, (being really conservative and assuming no backpressure from the turbo) and once it's transmitted through the rocker arm, it's probably only an increase of say 20lb of normal force on the cam. The coefficient of friction between the cam lobe and the rocker arm is really tiny, so the cam would only feel a tiny bit more friction force. Let's be really conservative and say that it would feel an addional ounce of friction force. The cam sprocket is at least three times the size of the cam lobe, so the belt would only feel 1/3 of an ounce more resistance at the moment when the cam pushes the valve open. Assuming a 16v engine, there will be 2/3 ounce more resistance per cylinder. It's a four cycle engine but it's a four-stroke cycle so the valves never open at the same time.

So: cosidering that the stock belt is reinforced rubber, do you really think that 2/3 ounces more resistance on the belt during certain instants of the cycle is going to cause the belt to stretch an appreciable amount? Do you think that stretch will affect your mechanical timing at all?

I think that performance timing belts are a waste of money unless you have done substantial modifications to your head that will actually be felt by the timing belt. Even then, I doubt that the blue belt will perform much better.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of longer periods of higher RPM's. I used an OEM belt last time I was at 7psi and it did just fine. I think I'll just get a Gates belt simply because they're only $25. I've never heard anything bad about them either.

 

The genuine Honda timing belt is only $31.65 online. I like to change the tensioner when I change the belt and the water pump and front seals every other time.

 

They're often made by gates. Not all of them, but some. Unitta makes a lot of them as well (most actually)

 

Genuine HOnda belts....hands down!!

 

There's only about 17k miles on the belt and related items now, so I think I'll just get the belt.

 

The OEM will break off chunks of you have tons of power -___- I seen it. But for the cute blue one waste of money I seen someone with it. Unless you got lots of money to spend I wouldnt do it or tons of power like 600 + :D

 

i used an oem belt on my boosted z6, which saw plenty of abuse and variety of weather conditions, and i never had a single problem. I have sold the car a while back, but i personally know the guy i sold it too, and he is still rocking the same setup and put over 20k on it.

but i never heard anything bad about the gates belt either, so i guess it's just a matter of preference.

 

NO, they will break off chunks when people don't replace them.