Hey just wondering if anyone else is gonna take the efi 101 or advanced classs.

 

IMHO EFI 101 is worth it if you're starting from scratch. EFI Advanced is a huge waste. Seriously it's like $1600. Go to a dyno and pay them $400 (or even $600 if you're feeling generous) to let you watch them tune a few cars. You'll learn a lot more than I did.

 

i wish im trying to use part of my gi bill to pay for the class but it doesnt qualify plus i got deployed there goes my education.

 

damn really, where did you take yours. Were you able to understand how to tune a car after those classes or not.

 

There is probably a good reason it's not covered. I wouldn't rate that course as detrimental to a career in tuning. If your that focused on getting into tuning. You would probably be better off approaching a local tuner when you get back from deployment. Talk to them about getting on as an apprentice. Once you have the basic knowledge on how tuning works, it's all hands on learning after that.

Here, Ben Strader's EFI 101 Book If you can't make it to his class, Save yourself a couple hundred and read it yourself.

 

Depending on how much you absorbed, you MIGHT understand HOW to tune a car... the class is mainly for beginners and to understand how stuff works - NOT teach you to tune.

 

That book sucks. Look at the reviews for it on Amazon. There are plenty of books out there that are much better.

Exactly. That's why you do what I said above and go pay someone at a dyno to let you watch. EFI Advanced is supposed to actually show you how to tune but my class was way overbooked and the car we were supposed to tune kept blowing off charge piping so I basically got ****ed big time for how much I paid.

 

well i got a decent understanding of how to tune. I created my whole base map for my b16 turbo and got it to idle like stock with 1000cc injectors. The thing tho is on hondata s300, i dont understand on which map to add fuel or subtract. i havent really got anytime on the dyno yet. IF someone on here knows how to tune hondata I will wire you money. I need to know on which map to add fuel or subtract and also im a bit confused on timing too.

 

lol yeah in all honesty. I don't imagine myself paying to learn from a book or paying for a class. I just happened to googled Ben Strader (senior instructor of EFI University) and that was the book that came up. I didn't check the reviews. Theory is nice but there is enough free info floating around on how engines and EFI works. Even buying a book is a waste of money these days. Hands on is the only way to truly learn this trade.

 

can anyone teach me how to tune hondata, i will pay you. I just want to know a few things. Ive been messing with it myself, but i dont have a dyno anywhere near only 2hrs away.

 

You are seriously mistaken. Ask anyone on pgmfi.org and they'll tell you to read, read, read. I don't know how you expect to learn the proper way to tune a car without reading how it's done. It's not like a carb where you dick around with things until the car runs fine. Having an understanding of what's actually going on inside the combustion chamber is essential. 90% of what I've learned has come from the Heywood ICE book and the rest (actually using Crome/MegaTune) has come from reading on forums and then tuning engines using them.

Are you serious? You're too lazy to drive 2 hours to a dyno? I drove 2.5 hours to the EFI class. Hell, some people on here have to drive 8 hours to get to a dyno.

Also, the proper way to tune cars is on a dyno so you're going to have to go there anyways.

 

well i have a dyno shop thats actually couple blocks from my house, but i usually tow my car about 2hrs to my tuner. He is not very sharing when it comes to asking him questions about how to tune,I tried. The guy by my house does not tune hondas(muscle cars mostly), also I want to know like when creating a new calibration, how do you add like new mods that you have changed; like my car is tuned right now, but i just rebuilt the motor and i changed cams, manifold and 1200cc rc injectors and a few other mods. How do i add this in my tune map for s300. Also on which graph do i add or subract fuel from and in what increments.

 

Hmmm. I can understand that he doesn't want to tell you too much for fear of losing your business but if someone asked me a general question (I'm not a tuner for money but still) I would give them some insight as to what I am doing.

It's still the same process.

This is what you pay your tuner to understand. All of the answers are out there. You just have to find them.

 

[QUOTE=MrDomino;42875442]Hmmm. I can understand that he doesn't want to tell you too much for fear of losing your business but if someone asked me a general question (I'm not a tuner for money but still) I would give them some insight as to what I am doing.

Yah i know and i didnt want to really be like why not and so forth so i dropped it and let him tune the car.


"well i have a dyno shop thats actually couple blocks from my house, but i usually tow my car about 2hrs to my tuner. He is not very sharing when it comes to asking him questions about how to tune,I tried. The guy by my house does not tune hondas(muscle cars mostly), also I want to know like when creating a new calibration, how do you add like new mods that you have changed; like my car is tuned right now, but i just rebuilt the motor and i changed cams, manifold and 1200cc rc injectors and a few other mods. How do i add this in my tune map for s300. Also on which graph do i add or subract fuel from and in what increments. "

Will this question i asked be answered in the efi classes im gonna take. I know that hands on is the best at learning, but i put so much money in my motor that i can't afford to blow it and i dont have time to rebuilt it again. Im in college and i have other stuff.

 

It may not answer all of your questions exactly but the concepts will definitely help you.

Also even if your local tuner is a muscle car guy, EFI is pretty much the same across the board. You may be using a different tuning program to change the amount of fuel but the fact is that you are still changing the amount of fuel.

 

well i already paid for it, but I just wanted on some pointer as how to use the software mostly rather than how to tune. Like i just want to know on which graph to add and subtract fuel on which table.

 

Before the class write down list of questions you have and dont be to shy to ask. You can also take your laptop and when they take a break use that time to ask the instructor any questions you have with hondata. They will be more than happy to help you out.

 

Good advice.

OP, you can't go around with a closed mind seeking only answers to a few specific questions. For you to safely tune your car and understand what the hell you are doing you have to build a foundation of basic knowledge first. If I were to tell you exactly what map to use and how to adjust fuel then you're not going to learn a damn thing. Any idiot can adjust numbers in a table- it's knowing why you're adjusting and how to adjust these values that you pay your tuner for. That said, you don't have to be a genius to learn to tune, you just need determination and a willing to learn. Don't expect people like myself who have spent countless hours reading posts, books, and messing around with their cars to force feed you what you need to know. The information is already available in hundreds of different locations- most of them just a Google or a forum search away.

 

THanks guys this is what i wanted to know, and i actually have been researching, playing with the hondata on my car and so forth. Im not new to building cars or motors, but new to tuning. I want to be able to do everything myself. I understand on not giving away information that you paid for and i will see how it goes after i take my classes. I will take my laptop and hopefully they can help me with hondata. I dont want to learn through trial and error on this motor that i have because of time and cost i put in. Im gonna build a few motors just for tuning practices tho after i complete the classes. Again thanks guys.

 

That is a great idea.