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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 02:05 PM
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(note: i'm doing this over a few days as i'm pretty short on time, i'll keep adding to it so don't worry)
alright this is my first write-up so bear with me on it
i recently did an automatic to manual conversion on my 95 Del Sol and had one hell of a time
i know, i know, it is a completely retarted swap that shouldn't be bothered with and yes, for all you idiots like me out there, heed the warnings
JUST BUY A MANUAL, DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ON THIS SWAP, IT IS A TRUE PAIN IN THE ***
but we all know it's not that simple and there will always be those out there that want to take the high road so i'll try to help ya out
my del sol fell into my hands for $200 so i figured what the hell, if all fails i'll just part it out and turn a profit if anything
but anyways i noticed that there was not much help in this category for any del sol drivers, obd1s, or even any eg's at all so this is directed towards del sol drivers mostly
this is for a 1995 Honda Del Sol S, D15B7 auto, swapping in an S40 5spd(96-00 ex - best dseries trans)
(sorry no pictures now, i'll try to post some when i get time)

parts needed (note: unless specified, equivilent civic part should work)
trans(any dseries hyrdo 5spd is fine, i used the S40)
clutch + clutch bolts
flywheel + flywheel bolts
pilot bearing
release fork (+ boot if you wanna make it look pretty)
slave cylinder
clutch line (highly recommend from a del sol, but i used dx lines, not as neat, but i guess they'll work)
inspection plate + bolts
mounts(i'll specify later, and yes, you need to use specific mounts)
shift linkage (MUST BE FROM DEL SOL, CANNOT USE CIVIC LINKAGE)
stabilizer bar (civics will work, your shifter might sit kinda funny though, recommend del sol bar)
shifter + ****
speed sensor
reverse light switch
pedals (clutch, brake, and accelerator pedal are necessary unless you feel like dying shortly after wasting all your hard efforts on this swap)
manual throttle cable
master cylinder + resevoir (get the bitch pin for your clutch pedal too, random bolts and zip ties will only work if you once again feel like dying or ****ing up your car)
shift boot (do not need whole console, they are the same minus the boot)
ecu
a whole bunch of bolts n **** (not gonna specify, many of the automatic ones will work, just keep your old ones and grab whatever ones you can with the parts you get-junkyard)
a little sheet metal, wire(speaker wire is fine), a few other little odds and ends, some bandaids, alotta patience, and i'd recommend a 30 case for the end of the day ;-)

mounts-
as you all should do before getting started, i went and did lots and lots and lots and lots of research on the subject
upon doing so, i opened pandoras box when it came to what mounts and brackets you do and do not need
my swap is done and yet i'm still trying to figure out what's right and wrong in this department so please don't base your project on this write up, but i will do my best to share my knowledge as simply and thoroughly as i can
you will need that gayass hasport custom mount(upper passenger side)
i paid $80 for mine on ebay. there is a seller who sells these on there, not sure of brand name, but its the same thing. i believe he is "hereiswhatyouneed" or something like that, look it up, you'll figure it out
you will need the lower front mounting bracket (looks similar to the one on the auto, but it's not. looks like a slim piece of metal with a stud at the end, looks way different from all others so you wont get confused)
and you will need the rear mount and bracket(closest to the motor)
oddly, my trans went in using the auto mount and bracket back there, but i'm sure this is wrong as i wound up having to mod my custom mount (take my word for it, you're not suppose to use the rear auto ones). not to mention, basicly every other write up out there says the same thing
you may also need to get new(shorter) bolts from ace or something, depends on the trans
long story short, i've gone through 3 s40s now, and all of them were different
some of them had studs on top for your custom mount(uses nuts instead of bolts, some had slots for the bolts)
IF your trans uses bolts and has no studs, DO NOT USE THE AUTO BOLTS
they are too long and you will crack your case if you put them in too far


now, the order in which you do all this is up to you
this is not the exact order i did everything, but it makes the most sense to me, it's the way i'd do it if i did this again, and it's the easiest for me to remember hah
and like i said, i'm going to keep adding to this and i'll post pictures down the road, so if this sounds retarted, don't worry, i'll elaborate more as necessary and things will make a lot more sense with pictures

start with the pedals, they are the biggest pain in your ***, it's the longest to do, you wont get all your **** dirty with engine grease n that, and you can still simply go back to automatic if you give up by this point
start by removing the lower dash cover under the steering wheel (i believe its 3 or 4 screws)
remove whatever little interior pieces go along with that, you get the idea
you then need to drop the steering column
it should be a couple bolts holding the wheel part, then a couple more supporting the column
either have a buddy hold the wheel or be careful when doing it, dropping heavy parts like your steering column could be disastorous

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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 05:29 PM
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to shlo, go empty your inbox, i cant pm you until you free some space
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by delslow45
it is a completely retarted swap that shouldn't be bothered with and yes, for all you idiots like me out there, heed the warnings
JUST BUY A MANUAL, DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ON THIS SWAP, IT IS A TRUE PAIN IN THE ***
I don't know why you would say that. I've done a couple of auto to manual swaps on 5th gen civics (which are absolutely identical except for the shift linkage) and they were reasonably painless, especially the second one, only took a full day and we were swapping in another engine, wiring vtec and cut and welded on the manual pocket mount.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 94EG8
I don't know why you would say that. I've done a couple of auto to manual swaps on 5th gen civics (which are absolutely identical except for the shift linkage) and they were reasonably painless, especially the second one, only took a full day and we were swapping in another engine, wiring vtec and cut and welded on the manual pocket mount.
i'll agree with that, if you know what you're doing
i just feel that for the price, the pain, and gathering the parts and knowledge for doing this for the first time, it's really not worth it
after having done it now though, i'm sure it'd be a whole world simpler the second time around
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 05:59 PM
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let's put it this way, both the advice and the write-up are aimed towards people like me with minimal experience in these types of projects
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 02:03 AM
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is it possible to convert automatic to manual??
how much would it cost to have it done??
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rylee_2208
is it possible to convert automatic to manual??
Yes, been done numerous times.

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how much would it cost to have it done??
Depends entirely on what parts cost you and what you're paying for labour. If you buy a parts car and do the work yourself you can do it for next to nothing, if you have to buy everything and pay someone else to do the work its going to be pricey.
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 11:10 AM
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i converted my auto with wire tuck brake line tuck and engine shave under two weeks and the auto to manual cost me less than 400
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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 04:01 AM
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sorry,
i meant to say can you convert manual to automatic ?? :s:s
i want to buy a hond del sol/crx but cant find an auto so am thinking of buying a cheap manual and getting it converted professionally.
worth it or no ??
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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rylee_2208
sorry,
i meant to say can you convert manual to automatic ?? :s:s
i want to buy a hond del sol/crx but cant find an auto so am thinking of buying a cheap manual and getting it converted professionally.
worth it or no ??
Can't be done easily at all, requires cutting and welding as well as pulling the entire car apart and replacing the cabin harness with one from an automatic. As far as worth it, you're ruining a perfectly good car, so no. Either wait till you find an automatic or preferably learn to drive stick. Automatic Del Sol is gonna suck however you look at it btw, they're heavy and underpowered and the automatic really doesn't help the situation.
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Old Jan 31, 2012 | 11:11 AM
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I am in the process of doing a swap mostly to convert it to manual. One problem I'm finding is where the auto shifter come out of is not the right for what's needed for the shift linkage and stabilizer to bolt up to. Is there an easy/right way of doing this? Its a 93 delsol that had an auto d15 and I'm putting in a d16
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Old Jan 31, 2012 | 11:58 AM
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you know there is already an auto to manual write up for 92-95 civics, which is identical to the del sols. just saying...look in the faq's. that's what i read when i did my auto to manual.
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Old Jan 31, 2012 | 12:02 PM
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here some info for the reverse light
Originally Posted by ME=ADRIAN
just to add a tip...if u guys dont wanna run ugly lookn wires all the way to the tranny for the reverse lights u can find those same wires on the 14 pin engine harness plug on the driverside..if yur usdm that is...reason i did this is because i did a wire-tuck harness and didnt wana place any more wires in the bay..its #12 (yellow) and # 13 (green/black) on the plug..
-this plug is on the upper left corner under the dash

and of course honda-tech user "94EG8" starting circuit wiring the right way

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...48557#34826076



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Old Jan 31, 2012 | 12:05 PM
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this plug. green and yellow wires to the far left. depin completely (if not use t connect or those splice connectors) or cut/extend and solder these wire, and wire it to the plug under the radio in the 2nd pic.
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 05:20 AM
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did u swap the cluster as well?
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by civictuner1982
I am in the process of doing a swap mostly to convert it to manual. One problem I'm finding is where the auto shifter come out of is not the right for what's needed for the shift linkage and stabilizer to bolt up to. Is there an easy/right way of doing this? Its a 93 delsol that had an auto d15 and I'm putting in a d16
What shift linkage did you use? I'm guessing you used a civic linkage and it's too short, it must be a del sol linkage and it should bolt up in the correct spot.
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by civictuner1982
I am in the process of doing a swap mostly to convert it to manual. One problem I'm finding is where the auto shifter come out of is not the right for what's needed for the shift linkage and stabilizer to bolt up to. Is there an easy/right way of doing this? Its a 93 delsol that had an auto d15 and I'm putting in a d16
You have to fabricate a plate to cover the gaping auto shifter hole. Then cut a hole in the plate that is the correct size and location to mount the manual shifter to. I put a rubber seal in to keep out any unwanted water and road noise.
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lordhelmet1584
You have to fabricate a plate to cover the gaping auto shifter hole. Then cut a hole in the plate that is the correct size and location to mount the manual shifter to. I put a rubber seal in to keep out any unwanted water and road noise.
You don't need to fab up a plate, you can simply drill the spot welds out of the piece on the corresponding manual transmission vehicle and put it up through the hole and bolt it in place. See pics below. I cut the floor around this one, but you can sort of see where it can be removed from the floor. Then you simply need the inner shift boot that goes with it.

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Old Sep 9, 2012 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lordhelmet1584
You have to fabricate a plate to cover the gaping auto shifter hole. Then cut a hole in the plate that is the correct size and location to mount the manual shifter to. I put a rubber seal in to keep out any unwanted water and road noise.
I 2nd this second this dude^^^, i think thats unnecessary to weld an cut the manual even more 4 me cause i don't have any welding machines or have a welder close by because i helped my friend convert his auto canadian EH hatch to manual without cutting or welding that manual hole on. We simple cutted sheet metal to cover the hole the auto chifter hole left and rivoted the sheet metal to cover it of course primered the sheet metal,painted it, and put a rubber seal as well before rivoting to prevent rust, like he said etc but still go on! i want to learn more about this and not let this thread DIE!!. Besides that's too much work 4 me anyways cut,drill that plate.
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 05:00 PM
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Thanks for the tip on taking the piece out of a manual. I ordered the correct shift linkage from Honda. I knew previously about the civic one not working from research. However I now have a g35 as a daily driver so I'm in the market for a del sol with little to no rust as I let mine sit too long. :/
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