Hey everyone,

I've got a chance to buy a Mitsu 16G turbo from an EVO8 for a good deal, but I'm a newb to turboing and not sure if this turbo is around the proper size for what I want. It's going on a stock, rebuilt D16Y8 that I'm only looking to make around 200-230 WHP out of, and I don't want a turbo that takes forever to spool up. Will this one fit my needs? Here's the specs:

Evolution 8
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9.8T (GSR / USDM)
TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T (RS/RS2 & NZDM) or 6MT:TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (model

unknown)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.8
Turbine = USDM EVO 8 & JDM GSR =Inconel (steel alloy),
RS=Titanium alloy.
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide

Thanks for any help.

 

it'll be nice on a d16, its just a matter of making a manifold work with it.

 

I'd just have to do some sort of adapter plate, like the guys running HF manifolds do, right? As long as the sizing is good then I don't mind a little fabrication, I'm looking to do this setup on the cheap, so I'm expecting a fair bit of tinkering.

 

You'll need to MAKE said adapter plate. you won't find it. But that turbo will work.

 

It might not be the 'recommended' way of doing it, but I could just weld the turbo right to the manifold if I wanted to avoid making an adapter plate, couldn't I? Not saying this is necessarily how I'd do it, but theoretically that would be an easy way of making it work, right?

 

Theres a thing on ebay that will bolt to the hf mani and let you bolt up the turbo. Though do keep in mind you won't be retaining the twin scroll capability, so the spool won't be quite ideal.

 

Evo turbos are excellent. Good for roughly 400whp. Super efficient. Great turbos. Especially with the slightly larger 10.5 housing. I plan on using one on my Miata. With that said, it probably won't work nearly as well if you don't have a proper manifold. I assume you got the turbo for $200. I'd suggest spending $500-600 and getting a proper manifold made. If not, sell it to me for $150 and buy a T3 instead.

 

Can you please elaborate a bit on this, in regards to having a proper manifold? Unfortunately I don't have the funds to spend nearly that kind of money on a custom manifold, so this is going to be a budget build for now with a simple log or HF manifold.

With that being said, I'm also not looking for anywhere near 400 whp either, more in the 200-220 whp range, so will the manifold really matter that much at such low power levels? Maybe someday when the cash is flowing more I can upgrade the setup, but for now this is just a budget build for a quick-ish street car.

 

An Evo4-10 have what's called a twin scroll turbine housing. Basically it allows you to send individual exhaust pulses into the turbine which allows for faster spool and increased efficiency. By using a log manifold with an adapter plate, you aren't taking advantage of this feature and will cause the turbo to be less efficient/inefficient.

Will it work? Sure. Is it ideal, no. I understand budget building so I say just use the turbo. It will be fine. I'd contact Aaron Weir at http://www.weirtech.ca/ for an adapter plate. He might be interested in doing it, but it will probably cost $75(my best guess). Otherwise I'd contact SLS and BMC in that order. BMC are completely hit or miss on delivery times, but their quality is always top notch. SLS is expensive, but professional. I don't know if anyone else on the forum would be good to contact, but you might be able to make an inquiry in the fab forum.

A T3 will be a more cost effective turbo choice though as all the flanges, manifolds, ect ect ect are commonly used on Hondas. The only Mitsubishi turbos that make it on Hondas are the old 16g's and 14b's typically. It's typically more cost effective to use common parts on a turbo build. Not to mention much easier.

 

Ok, I have used several EVO turbos on a built b16a with pretty good results. Bottom line is, the Manifold and DP will be the biggest challenge, and also getting all the right fittings for the oil feed and return. Quickest solution is to start looking through sites like "atpturbo.com" and finding the proper flange for the DP and Manifold (they use to make adaptor plates for this turbo, but as the SHodon explained they may not anymore)

However, it is not difficult to find someone to make this for you. OR you can get a PROPER MANIFOLD.
So since your going to be cheap like most noobs and spend more money down the road when you wise up, here is a short build list for what you need to get this project going

1) 16g turbo
2) proper feed (with restricter if needed), oil return with proper fitting, pan fitting, and also fitting for the back of the block (they make kits for this do your research)
3) browse around your city for a local fab shop that would be able to make your adaptor plate to mate to your HF manifold, or log style that you are going to get. It shouldnt cost more than like 80-100 bucks for the adaptor plate. Then you will need 2 gasketts for it (one between plate and manifold, one between plate and turbo)
4) use same said fab shop to weld you up a DP from the flange you researched and found via ATP turbo or other manufacture that stocks evo flanges for the 16g turbo
5) finish rest of plubing for intercooler, BOV, TB, injectors, res. box if needed, P28 ecu for tuning, crome, hondata, ect.

Bottom line my friend is there is a lot of stuff to thing about. and its not going to be cheap even if you skimp out on a bunch of stuff. I would recommned DSM 450 blue tops for injectors, get some mild steel 2.25 piping for your charge piping, DSM BOV, and tune on crome to save you the most money.
If you have further questions feel free to PM me, its pretty hard to put together a wholelistic "hold my dick brochure" for you, but I have summed up most of the big peices
Regards.

 

Alright, thanks to everyone for the help. I realize this probably isn't the best turbo for a cheap build, but I got too good of a deal to pass up on, and I figure at the very least it's a good enough turbo that if I want to upgrade my setup in the future it will still work.

I'll check out all those sources you showed me, but as one poster pointed out, there is a seller on eBay with an EVO VIII to HF manifold adapter plate: http://cgi.ebay.ca/DSM-EVO-VIII-to-C...item53e02bba13
Does this look like a decent option?

As far as oil lines, the turbo is supposed to be coming with the stock EVO lines, so when it gets here I'll have to see what's going on there and assess the situation from there. I've also got some 440cc injectors from an 88 Supra, as well as the intercooler from it, so I'll grab a DSM BOV and start trying to piece things together.

 

please keep us updated. i almost bought an evo turbo once upon a time but was told by many that it's twinscroll and won't work with my motor. well...i guess they were wrong. an adapter would be easy to make or get made. evo turbo's are a dime a dozen too since a lot of evo guys are upgrading their turbos anyhow.

 

any updates? has anyone done it before?

 

I am planning on going the same route. any updates?