im going to be buying a 98 itr with a jdm front end and recaros with some mild engine work with my tax money soon.im wanting to put more into the motor for some more power.ive come to a fork in the road cause im not sure the if i want to go all motor with itb's and maybe a shot of n20 or go the turbo route.both have pros and cons.i know with a turbo i would get better fuel economy along with more power but the high compression ratio on the r motor worries me.they both are around the same price.i would love to hear more opinions about it from you guys.

 

the less money you spend saving on gas wont mater after you blow your motor and then you have to buy a whole new one. and if its original motor i wouldn't want to do that. go all motor

 

i know that there are plenty of r's out there that have turbos.i figure if i did a low boost set up and the right tune it could work but im still debating on it i know the all motor route is way more expensive and doesnt give me much more power

 

a better question to ask is WTH are you going to use your car for or what is its intended use? (track car, street assassin, etc).

if you planning on going after subies and evos or whatever all motor isnt going to be cheap and honestly is not going to be getting you what you want. (i.e. best bang for your buck)

my R is all motor and it is very big threat on the track (road course) compared to subies, evo's etc. because the track was its orginial intended use.

on the street turbo cars respond a lot better to upping the boost and its really not that fair when it gets to that point.

dont get me wrong nitrous does the job too but if your motor isnt built for it your wasting a very exotic motor.

i have a turbo car that i use for DD and **** and giggles on the street and its a fairly simple setup. i tried tracking it and dont get me wrong its fast but not R fast at least on a road course.

straight line speed is there but its just too much and not balanced vs my all motor setup.

 

well this car will be my daily driver/fun car.it really doesnt matter how much power it makes i just want to get the most out of it reliably.i dont have any thing to prove with it really if i did my 99 saleen with the t66 setup takes care of evos and much less any other car on the road i come across.this isnt my first honda/acura ive owned before either.i had a 94 integra ls and a 99 si but ive always wanted a real type r.now that my friend is offering me a good deal on his my taxes will cover the cost of it.i dont expect this car to be the fastest thing on earth i just want to know what options i have with it.i cant stand having something im my garage that hasnt been wrenched on

 

its fun how it is. take it to the track. keep it stock, you know its reliable.

boost-best bang for your buck
all motor-gangster

in a straight line (freeway, w/e you wanna say is "fun") boost is more fun.

 

i have had a 2.0l built NA motor (220whp/148tq) in my R, and also a internally stock 1.8l boosted motor (300whp/210tq). both cost about the same. both get about the same mileage (DD both).

i have the 1.8l boost currently. and i love it. it is infact my DD fun driver. i have AC, PS, etc. does everything it needs to. its a blast to drive, still rips up corners just the same as NA, just faster

if i had to do it again? BOOST.

 

Did the N20 thing.. sucked. If you want boost go turbo. Did that too (mind you it was on a b18b) but it was awesome.

 

my suggestion....

since you have your super fast saleen, go all motor but just mild build. header, intake, exhaust, cams, ITB's, tune etc.

i have a boosted ITR myself so im not bias on one or the other.

dont go crazy and build a 2.0L

i suggest this because as you said, you have a fast car already (saleen) and this car could be your midly fast car thats fun at both the streets and the track.

i would personally stay away from nitrous. i had nitrous on my accord. it was fun but man filling that damn bottle was a hassle. you are going to spend alot of money on nitrous. its basically about $40 to fill and if you are going to build for nitrous, im sure you are going to go through the bottle pretty fast. i just had a 75 shot. i said i wasnt going to be trigger happy and wasnt really but still was filling quite often. you will fill about 2-3 times a month and you can do the math from there. you are going to be using up more and more money while if you go with other upgrades, its hopefully just a one time deal.

just my 2cent

 

i would say get the car first and drive it. then decide.

 

I'd say piece together a well build turbo kit, run about 8-10psi, get the thing tuned well, and enjoy having a 250-300whp ITR.

Boost>N/A merely becuase you can go way faster for the same amount of coin.

(People in here are gonna hate me for the above statement )

 

its true though. some people just cant handle the truth....

 

what about the compression ratio though,since its so high would a custome reflash take care of that?i fount a top mount turbo kit for b18's but i dont think it comes with the ecu.plus should i get bigger injectors on it to be safe?i love turbos,my mustang is a blast but i know if i boost the itr it will take away from its so called purity.plus blowing my motor in my saleen is one thing but its expensive to replace a b18c5.ill boost it only if its reliable

 

You need to research first, honest to god it's a bit of a generic answer for you but at the point you're at where you think we "reflash" our ECU's for tuning you obviously do not know too much about these cars. This is not the time for you to decide whether or not you will turbocharge it or build it all motor. This is the time for you to get the car and learn about it first.

 

well id like to think i know enough about hondas as ive owned several and i can take aprt a b series with practically no effort.ive just never messed around with itb's or tuning with the ecu.as far as turbo hondas ive been around them but ive never owned a turbo honda before thats why im here asking specifics,its not like my stang where i can buy a tuning device for 150 bucks.last i checked to get one for a honda you have to spend like 800 bucks or more.im sure things have changed over the last 5 years since i had my last honda i figured i could get plenty of updates here instead of trying to look up all of this info myself to base my opinion on whats best

 

Tuning is going to be based off of either Standalone (recommended) or a Piggy-back type set-up.

I will give you some info on the standalone type because it is the absolute most reliable and best option. You will need a chipped ECU (obd1 p28 ecu is the most common) and an obd2a-obd1 conversion harness for the ECU. You would take the ECU to your local tuner and depending on what software they would use whether it be Hondata, CromePRO, or AEM if you're into dropping that kind of money, they will further direct you there what needs to be done for tuning. Expect to pay right around $450 for a full dyno tune and if you go with CromePRO (free software) expect to pay about $100 to have the ECU chipped.

If you look into the above options you can judge which one you like by the options and what you can do with each program, as far as gear dependent boost levels, 2 step launch control, and other things.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, you haven't gotten the car yet so there is no real way you can make an honest decision on what you want to do with it yet. I've owned turbo hondas of various configurations, however my ITR will be N/A just because i want the raw all motor feel of 9,000 rpms in an ITR. You just won't know til you get behind the wheel trust me. I'm not/wasn't trying to be a dick, but it's like you're wiping your *** before you ****.

 

i know you were giving me an honest answer so i respect that.it looks like boosting a honda is more hassle/money than my stang.and since im kind of a purist for the itr i think ill build it all motor instead.it currently has a cf jdm password intake and msd ignition.should i still go with the itb's?

 

im just assuming by your count post that this may be your first honda and definitely your first ITR. you need to own the car first! why are you asking questions about how to add power if you havent even bought the car? you probably havent tracked an ITR and you probably havent even driven an ITR. You need to buy it before asking questions about upping power! let alone talking about boost and all that other garbage. my advice, by the car, enjoy it for what it is for a few months, and if youre bored then look into adding power. you never know, you may just be happy with it in stockish form!

 

obviously you didnt read the whole thread because i stated earlier that ive had 99 si and 94 ls integra before,so like i said this isnt my first honda.ive already driven two different itrs to know what they feel like and drive stock.and i will have this car in my garage within a week or two so there is no question about me getting it.regardless its my car and if i want turbo,or build it all motor or paint it pink who cares?it will be my vehicle.i didnt come on here to get flamed i came on here to get answers to questions i had.just because i havent been in the honda scene for a few years doesnt mean im incapable of owning a turbo itrdont assume you know me and what i havent done because of my post count or how long ive been on this forum

 

obviously you didnt read my post thoroughly either. i stated words like "assuming" and "probably" because i dont know you. and i wasnt flaming you. i was simply stating that you DONT own the car yet and until you do i think it would be best to enjoy the car as is BEFORE you ask about adding power. dont get all butthurt i was just trying to help you make the best decision. if you dont like people's advice maybe you should quit asking people you DONT know on a forum.

 

forgive me then for misunderstanding you dc im not trying to come off like a jerk.i felt like you thinking im some noob.i have driven this car alot and since my friend knows i want it he wont sell it to anyone else unless i let him know i cant own it for some reason.in fact he will be dropping it off next week even though i havent given him the cash yet.i like how it drives stock but like any other vehicle ive owned i like to get the most out of them.since i already have a car with boost i think im going to stick with the all motor route anyway.