Ok, so i searched, found one good thread, So I just was looking for a little verification/clarity.

Ok, so If a dc/db had a b20 swap, and I had a smog tech overlook the visual part of the smog, will the b20 still pass smog, the emissions part, with the info in the smog machine set to Integra?

A simple answer will suffice. I don't need people telling me the legality of the situation, I'm just curious.

Reason I'm asking, and no I don't even have an Integra, is because I see alot of Integras for sale on Craigslist/Local forums, and majority have a b20 swap, unless they were a GSR. And I was thinking that the b20 should pass the sniffer as it's identical to the LS (b18b1).

Also will it matter if the b20 is the z or b version?

TIA

 

Properly tuned, and with a good cat, a B20 could pass the sniffer test.

However, as the B20 came in the CRV, which is considered a light duty truck, it was not held to the same emissions standards as a passenger vehicle. Without tuning and 100% stock it might not pass, simply because it was never required to be as clean in the first place.

 

that is NOT how it works..

you are in california.. you HAVE to take it, after the swap is done, to the state ref to get BAR'd.. After that, THEN you take it to put it on the sniffer...

and the b20 CANNOT legally be swapped into a car, as its from a light truck..

The rules for swapping a motor in california, are

1. Has to be from the same type of vehicle (no truck motors in cars, vice versa)

2. Must maintain ALL original SMOG equipment.. ECU and all

3. Must be from the same year or newer car

4. Must not have any mods.. All stock or no pass.. stock ECU, etc etc etc.. stocker than stock, when it comes to the motor.. (some people get away with having CARB legal parts during their BAR, but i dont recommend it)

 

Perfect answer. Just what I was looking for. Anyone care to confirm his info?

Apparently you didn't read my post, or you just overlooked the key point. Here, let me help you.
I don't care about how legal it is. I simply wanted to know if a b20 would pass a SNIFFER test. I already know how to bar, and I know LEGALLY a b20 can't be bar'd. But half, if not majority, of the cars in cali are illegal already due to the strict guidelines in California emissions. We are the most strict, yet we have dirty air... weird. Anyways, please read the post next time.

And now since California has Smog Check Points (Yes, check points where a smog machine is waiting to bust someone), it's good to know if the b20 would pass emissions. Although I'm sure they will probably still look at the engine code.

 

wow.. sorry i didnt read it all to your liking..

if you know so much about it, then you should ALREADY KNOW that it would pass the sniffer, if done right.. so why did you ask..

no need to be a rude.. just trying to help..

and, even though you know this, you still dont care about legallity?, cause its not going to matter if you pass a sniffer, when (not IF, WHEN), they pop your hood and check your engine code..

tune it.. it will pass

use the same ECU and cat, and it will pass..

good luck, sir **thumbsup**

 

I never said I knew a lot, I simply stated I knew that a b20 could not be BAR'd. Which is why I made this post to begin with.

Again, you didn't read my original post. I'm not trying to be rude but PLEASE read it before you post...

 

LOL! oh honda-tech

 

If it passes emissions in a CRV, then wouldn't the B20 pass emissions in an integra?

 

Nope. If this were the case, no body would BAR because there wouldn't be any reason to. They input the vehicle information to find the standards for emissions testing. Every car has a different standard for emissions.

 

Ive. Seen a bard da with a b20

 

well, they pulled some strings.. you cannot do that legally..

and OP... dont be a jerk.. just trying to help..

ya know, if YOU would have read other peoples threads, then you would know that this subject has been covered time and time again..

perhaps a google search would be better for you, that way if someone gives an answer you dont like, then they dont have to hear about it.. lol..

**thumbsup**

PS.. you WILL NOT pass a sniffer without getting it BAR'd.. plain and simple.. no one will legally smog your car, and since it will blow different emissions, you will not pass.. you can try to convert it to OBD2b to get it to pass the sniffer..

sorry, but this is the answer... if you dont like it, tough.. yes, it may pass, but you wont know, cause it will never get on the rollers legally to do it...

so tttttthhhhhhhhhhpppppppppppppppp to you, sir

 

There is a simple fix. Aluminum is soft. Take a palm sander and grind down the block where it says b20 till it's smooth. Then buy yourself a 20 dollar punch set from ebay. Use a piece of masking tape to make a straight line across the place where b20 was before. Then punch in b18b into the block. touch up with some aluminum/silver paint. Problem solved.

 

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha... good one.. that COULD work.. lol... would hate to be the one getting caught doing that...

even then, it still wouldnt pass the sniffer, unless running the stock ecu, or a good tune..

although, you could always pay someone to illegally smog your car.. haha.. they are out there..

 

Lol no we. Didn pull strings the Guy inspecking the car was a neewb lol but he sold it that was just pure luck Lol

 

SICK!... you got soooooooooo lucky.. GOTTA love that

 

Omg, again, you didn't read. And I wasn't trying to be a jerk, I simply wanted you to read before you posted because so far most everything you posted was irrelevant, as it was mentioned in the first post.

Yea that would be a good idea lol. One of my boys here said he's smogged b20's a lot. We know a couple smog techs that will overlook, we've done it before with things like header/intake, etc. Anyways, he said the smog tech overlooked the visual, and the b20 passed!! Good to know it works lol.

Anyways, well thanks for the info guys. Pretty much everything TunerN00b said was dead on, that's how they did it a few times to pass a b20 in an Integra. So thumbs up to you!

There's a b20 Integra sitting in my other buddy's shop, so I might go put this to the test. :D

 

i searched, and found ALOT more than 1 good thread.. i have read your post.. multiple times.. EVERYTHING i posted was irrelevant? like the fact that it wont pass without the stock ecu and an OBD2b conversion? or even just a killer tune? that didnt make any sense to the conversation? or even the fact that it doesnt matter what car you put it in? like, you could put a b20 in a ****ing pinto, and it would pass the sniffer, IF you did the ECU stuff right? pull your head out your tailpipe, friend..

i would be willing to bet money you would just try to slap in a b18 ecu, try and pass, and fail, and then wonder why...

sorry for trying to help.. dont ask for help in a FORUM of people, if you dont like getting multiple answers.. i really dont see how everything i said is irrelevant AT ALL..

anyway... good for you **thumbsup**... hope you got all the info you needed, and ignored the rest.. hahahahaha

 

Yup, thanks!

And I said MOST of the stuff you posted was irrelevant, not everything...

 

I've been dealing with getting an illegal car (Triumph Spitfire) through smog for longer than this site has been around. In that time, I've heard and read quite a few different things concerning smog. No expert, just someone fed up with the whole process. My final resolution was to swap every single part from my 1979 to a junkyard 1975, and enjoy owning a smog check free 1975 model...

My smog illegal car recorded 5 PPM out of 335 allowable HC on its last smog test. My smog legal GSR recorded 49 out of 50 PPM HC. HC is what causes smog. Someone tell me why the car releasing 1/10 the pollution is the illegal one.

I don't think we should pollute without regard to others. I do think the law is completely unreasonable in how it goes about trying to force this concept though...

 

Well Said!

 

yeah.. i had a 98 cavalier i was tuning a while back.. when i first got it, i couldnt get it to pass smog for shi+, cause the EGR was bad.. THAT i totally understand, as our air is teeerrrrible out here anyway... especially in the valley..

some things, though, i think are bootsy.... like swapping a k20 into a car that doesnt have one.. the main reason is, it breaks one of the rules.. you CANNOT change ANYTHING that has to do with the fuel system..

for instance.. to be legal, the engine that is going in has to retain all fuel, air, and emissions equipment.. the problem is, the fuel system on a K series is a non-returnable system.. Most hondas (ef, eg, ek, da, dc, etc) all have returnable fuel systems, so you would have to mod it..

THAT i dont agree with, cause if its done right, its just as safe as the stock fuel system.. idunno.. for the most part, im on the fence..

we should just change to e85 and enjoy the benefits of 118 octane, or whatever it is.. hahaha.. Plus, its soooo much cleaner than burning gas