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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 11:13 AM
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so i figured out the electrical problem... took all the grounds off and cleaned them off, cleaned off the battery terminals... and everything turns on just fine. my other problem is, something is locked up... i dont know what... i took the starter off cuz i thought maybe the starter gear was seized on the flywheel, then tried to push start it, and its still locked up... the trans still shifts through the gears just fine... so the only thing i could think it would be is the LSD is locked up. but i dont understand how it would die from it sitting. it ran and drove perfect before it died at autozone...
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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i suggest you pull the motor/trans out n then look at it
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:55 PM
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Does the engine start up and idle when you have the clutch pedal pressed down?
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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By reading the thread it looks like the the engine is locked up?
Op, you removed the starter to check if the engine is locked right? Can you put the car in neutral and roll it?

If it does roll try to turn it by hand at the flywheel (counter clockwise).
if it is locked you may be in a bad spot.
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 12:05 AM
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looked into it more... the motor is locked up. the oil smells like straight fuel... i dont know how the motor would lock up from it just sitting. before it died from the bad ground the car ran perfect. wasnt knocking or throwing any codes at all.
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 01:05 AM
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how long was it sitting?
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by B16Blake
looked into it more... the motor is locked up. the oil smells like straight fuel... i dont know how the motor would lock up from it just sitting. before it died from the bad ground the car ran perfect. wasnt knocking or throwing any codes at all.
So you can't turn the engine over by hand with the car in neutral?
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 01:38 AM
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it makes little sence, sp33 is right if you can turn the engine over manually or by cranking it. it is not sized n o matter what the oil smells like. if you can shift the gears in when off but not when on. there are two things off the top of my head that can cause this, one is that the clutch is stuck on the flywheel can be casue by water getting in the tranny when you peel it off the flywheel will look like this,


the other is the clutch cable is set too high, lower it by turning the adjustment **** on the cable. this is if you have a cable driven tranny of course.

if you can't even push the car to roll, then,,, you are gonna have to take atleast the tranny off to issolate the problem. it may be some broken gears in the tranny. try this raise the car with a jack so both front wheel are off the ground, try turning the wheel by hand. if you can then, while still in the air try and turning it on make sure you have jack stands intalled, depending on what your result we can tell you what else to check.

good luck

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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 11:57 PM
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well the car has been sitting for 2 weeks. but the motor locked up the same day that it died. it ran perfect all day before it died. bad ground caused it not to start. so im pretty sure that the clutch isnt seized on the flywheel. the only thing that i can think of it being is that it skipped timing when i tried to push start it and the pistons are seized against the valves
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by B16Blake
well the car has been sitting for 2 weeks. but the motor locked up the same day that it died. it ran perfect all day before it died. bad ground caused it not to start. so im pretty sure that the clutch isnt seized on the flywheel. the only thing that i can think of it being is that it skipped timing when i tried to push start it and the pistons are seized against the valves
Seen that happen. We tried to push start my friends H22 accord after sitting for 4 months and the auto tensioner seized. The timing belt snapped when it tried to catch. We replaced the belt and tensioner and it was good to go. Different car/engine, but its a possibility. If you have a SOHC it's easy to check. DOHC is a little more work.
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by B16Blake
well the car has been sitting for 2 weeks. but the motor locked up the same day that it died. it ran perfect all day before it died. bad ground caused it not to start. so im pretty sure that the clutch isnt seized on the flywheel. the only thing that i can think of it being is that it skipped timing when i tried to push start it and the pistons are seized against the valves
I really doubt that.

Have you tried turning the crank by hand to line up the engine to TDC? What makes you think that the engine is locked up? Just that it's not starting? When you tried push starting it, did it screech to a halt when you dropped the clutch?
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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i bought this motor from a local shop that goes through a dealer in japan. so this swap only had ~30k on it. i replaced the timing belt and water pump before i even put the motor in. and i havent even put 1000 miles on it yet. changed the oil 3 times and the trans fluid twice since ive had it running. so its not like its been sitting for a long time with this motor in it. it was my daily driver until this happened. so i dont see how the timing belt would snap. tomorrow its getting towed to my buddys garage and im going to start pulling the timing cover off to see if it skipped timing.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 07:32 PM
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Pull out the dipstick and see just how much fluid is in the pan .Pull out plugs and turn it over . Iam betting it will squirt out fluid
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 10:34 PM
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a bad ground can cause things to weld together the electricity has to flow through the half shafts and through the transmission to get to where its going in a bad ground situation... but usually the only complaint caused by that is noisy gear because the finish on them is taken off through electrolysis, but it could have welded your cam in place when you went to start it the next time or something like that (just a random guess never accually hear of this)

not the timing belt, in that case it would turn over extremly easy

i would crank it over by hand if it doesnt move take the spark plugs out and try to crank it over by hand if it still doesnt turn take the engine off of TDC and take off the timing belt try again only be careful not to turn too far and too fast(valves) if it turns its the head if not take the trans out, try again if it turns its the bottom end

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Old Jan 8, 2010 | 10:09 AM
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problem solved. it was a combination of bad grounds, bad main relay, and the starter was grounding itself out. there was also a quart and half of fuel in the oil. so i changed the oil, plugs, cap and rotor. doing another oil change here in the next few days, then doing a compression check to see if the rings are still good. so far... its running strong
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