Finally found the time to put this thread together. My pf mirror project is for a 99 civic EX. After comparing all diagrams available and much confusion, I am only down to 2 problems now:

Problem (1): How should I wire the two white and 2 black wires coming from the mirrors?

Problem (2): If I need a + and - source, is running wire to the battery my only option? Couldn't I find other sources like the kicker panel? Where are the stock mirrors getting their power from? Why can't I use the same + and - source from the stock mirrors for my new mirrors?
Thanks in advance.
























This diagram was posted on ej8squad. It is the best one I have seen so far.

 

The switch needs a + and - source as shown in the ej8squad diagram, so I'm pretty sure the ORANGE/white and BLACK wires could be my link to the battery. In stock form the switch does not link to the battery, my guess is the passenger side mirrors linked to the battery. With the power fold mirror set up, my guess is the switch (g and h) need to reach the battery.

 

The ORG/WHT and BLK wire that can be seen in the picture below is for heated (defogger) mirrors. This is pretty weird since you're an American and this is a USDM car, and heated mirrors on a US car was never offered as an option on 6G Civics like it was in Canada.



Three questions, first two are relevant one to your current project, then one to settle my curiosity:

1. Where are the wires that drive the DRIVER's side 'power fold' feature in this picture:


Is that them on the top left? Did you remove them for the photo? (Confusing!) If they are not there, then you have an even bigger problem: Your driver's side mirror is not 'power folding' -- you were sold a dud. Bleh.

2. What is the blob of solder on the wire in this picture?

Is that like that from the factory? Yikes! Better cover that up with heat-shrink tubing to be safe -- you don't want your mirror catching on fire if there's a short.

3. Does your original non-folding PASSENGER side mirror have the wires on the mirror side for the heated feature? If so, then one of your mirrors is probably heated... not that you have any way to control the heating. Interesting nonetheless.

I'm not seeing these "left over" wires - if you're talking about the WHT and BLK wires on the inside (mirror-side) of the wiring harness, then you should know that these are the wires that drive the power-fold feature.


The above diagram is for a 5th Gen Civic - I don't think it will be too helpful.

No, no. Not a direct link to the battery - you do not want this. JUST FOLLOW THE 6TH GEN DIAGRAMS THAT WERE GIVEN TO YOU. (If you are having trouble following these, then I can help you with this, too... but that is another matter.) However, since, as I said, they are unused wires which probably drove a mystery "heated mirror" feature you did not have, you CAN substitute them for the wires which run to your mirror to drive the 'power fold' feature. You will have to change the location of the pins, but this won't take you long. Answer me this: Do the ORG/WHT and BLK wires run into the cabin, past the plug in the door? If they do, then you might be able to save yourself some time doing the wiring ... ie., you won't have to lay wire to run the power fold feature across to the passenger side ... that is if you can figure out where they end... possibly in the driver's side footwell somewhere.

 

Before answering your questions, I want to make sure you are aware of what I’m working with. The mirror internals & wiring are from the Honda JDM. I bought these power folding mirrors from www.j-specialty.com. Of course, RHD mirrors have a different angle and the convex glass is on the opposite side compared to LHD. Solution, I bought a set of non-power fold replica ctr mirrors. The bases and glass was swapped. The end product is a set of power adjustable & folding "non-usdm style" aka "ctr" mirrors that give no vision problems for me in my LHD civic.

Answers to your questions.

1. The driver side black and white mirror switches you see de-pinned do belong to the jdm mirror housings. They are de-pinned because I’m not sure how to pin them correctly. Not sure on correct location for these two wires and the other black and white wire belonging to the passenger side mirrors. The other black and white wires are pinned because I wanted to make sure they fit with the soldered black wire being so big.

2. After reading your heated power fold DIY, I realized that cutting wire is unnecessary and not recommended. The black wire you see was my first de-pin victim. It was salvaged, but suffered some wounds. My buddy soldered it for me, It came out very plump IMO.

3. No, I never realized that the ORANGE/white and BLACK wires running up the passenger side door lead to nothing. The mirror white terminal has only 3 pins sticking out on the top row. WTF?

4. The left over black and white wires questions section was unfinished by me. When I de-pinned my white box mirror terminals, I lost my diagrams and had to ask for help to re-pin the terminals. With your help on a previous thread, 6 locations made sense thanks to an OEM diagram. Now I have 4 left over wires, 2 white and 2 black. They are "left over" because I dont know if they should be pinned like this:

[w][ ][ ][ ] <-Driver [b][ ][ ][ ] <- Passenger side
[b] [ ][ ][ ] <-- Side [w][ ][ ][ ]

Or

[b][ ][ ][ ] <- Driver [b][ ][ ][ ] <- Passenger side
[w][ ][ ][ ] <-- Side [w][ ][ ][ ]

Etc, ect. A total of 4 different white and black combinations.

I did realized the switch looks different on the diagram you say is for 5th gens (It only has one horizontal row instead of two). I have heard of so many different switches and relays existing. However, the switch shares very similar characteristics with my switch. The a. on the switch is all by it self just like the BLACK/yellow wire in my switch. The g. and h. are paired together just like a + and - in the j-specialty diagram. h. is BLACK which is likely to be used for ground, while g. is BLUE/yellow and I’m guessing it’s the +. This is another reason why I came up with the ORANGE/white wire being + and the BLACK wire being -(PS OEM door panel mirror wiring). Isn't a solid black wire usually used for ground? The remaining bcdef spaces = 5 spaces just like my switch.

Please look at the J-specialty diagram that came with my jdm mirrors.


I have compared the “5th gen diagram to the J-specialty diagram and they are exactly identical. (Except one is upside down) The Honda-Tech diagram does not match up to these two diagrams. I have included my hand drawn diagram that I feel is perfect. I believe everything excluded in my hand drawn diagram should be wired to the original cut OEM wiring. My shorthand for blue is bu instead of the usual blu.


A few things to add. I have extra wiring with pins attached. Should the fatty soldered wire be replaced? I have my friends soldering kit, should soldering be done as thin as possible to avoid shorts? I am no expert in auto/soldering/wiring tech.


If I need a + and - source, is running wire to the battery my only option? Couldn't I find other sources like the kicker panel? Where are the stock mirrors getting their power from? Why can't I use the same + and - source from the stock mirrors for my new mirrors? My heads gonna explode!

This thread is posted on 3 different sites in hopes of finding answers. In total, this thread has over 213 views. I have not had much help, I am very grateful for all support and advice from anyone. Thx

PS. This link was pmed to me via ej8squad. It has some useful stuff IMO. It seems his wiring does not match his diagram though.
http://www.hondatech.co.uk/forum/vie...ghlight=#11137

 

Oh, right, right .... I forgot that there are two different "styles" of connectors for the mirror switches for 6th Gen! More later ...

 

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly, you have done your homework ... this is why I am so happy to help.

OK, you patched it up to fix a newbie mistake ... that's OK, I made them too at the start of my projects, too. Just cover up that solder blob with heat-shrink tubing. This is pretty important to prevent short-circuits and FIRES.

Don't sweat it ... the ORG/WHT and BLK wires can be substituted for the wires that run the 'power folding' feature (ie., GRN/ORG and GRN/YEL)... it's nice that they are already run for you. Check if they run past the door connector and into the cabin!

.... Actually, on sober second thought ... I bet they end at the door connector. But, you can still use them, as it's here that you can connect your GRN/ORG and GRN/YEL for the 'power fold' feature.

EDIT: Actually, I bet that the BLK is going to be a generic ground wire for other electrical components in the door, too. It might not be safe to use this wire as a substitute until you've verified that nothing else is being grounded through this same wire.

I feel like I should say that it's REALLY NOT IMPORTANT to get hung up on this specific little detail. Pick a colour for the 'power folding' feature, say GRN/ORG, and mate it with WHT, then mate the other 'power folding' wire, GRN/YEL with BLK. Test it out when you're done all the other wiring, and if it doesn't work as you want it (say one folds in while the other folds out!), then reverse the wires on one side.

I forgot that the 6th Gen switches also came in a format that looks like the 5th Gens ... a single-line green connector (can be seen in the link you posted).

Your above diagram isn't right. You have the BLK/YEL wire running to the BLU/YEL on the relay! And BLU/YEL is getting battery power. No, bad dog.

First off, let's get some terminology correct before we begin: The TOP side to a connector is ALWAYS going to be the side with the clip - ie., the spot on the connector you depress to remove it. Next, understand that the numbering of the pin location is from left to right with the clip at the top, looking at the connector from the wire side. For example, in the photo you provide here:



The wiring order goes like this:
______|----|______
[1][2][-][-][3][4]
[5][6][7][8][9][10]

[1](Blank)
[2]BLK/YEL
[3]YEL/RED
[4]BLK
[5]BLU/WHT
[6]BLK/BLU
[7](Blank)
[8]YEL/BLK
[9]GRN/WHT
[10]BLU/YEL

(Apologies if I got any of the wire colours wrong - it is not my intention to confuse!)

POWER (FOLDING) MIRROR SWITCH

The ONLY mucking about with the connector on your ORIGINAL USDM OEM POWER MIRROR SWITCH CONNECTOR I want you to do is to ADD the wire in the right pin location from the JDM switch that isn't there. No cutting of the original wiring harness is necessary!

What does this mean? This means you are adding ONE WIRE to the USDM connector: BLU/YEL. It goes in pin slot #10 (in the corner). Now you plug it in to the JDM PFM switch. (Also, I KNOW that the USDM pin #2 is BLK/BLU when it is supposed to be BLK/YEL (as on JDM connector). DON'T concern yourself with this now. I don't know why it's like that, but I am SURE that it is wired to the fuse box properly.)

BLU/YEL runs to the....

PFM RELAY

Yours looks like this:

____|----|____
[1][2][3][4][5]

[1]GRN/YEL
[2]WHT/BLU
[3]BLU/YEL
[4]BLK
[5]GRN/RED

• GRN/YEL and GRN/RED you extend to BOTH mirrors (ie., split the wires and extend them BOTH to EACH mirror)
• BLU/YEL arrives from the PFM switch
• BLK is extended to ground
• WHT/BLU gets +12V power .... SEE MY NOTE BELOW!

NOTE: See, the common problem with all these diagrams (except for mine) is that they don't wire the RELAY to the correct +12V wire! Notice how in my diagram the WHT/BLU wire from the relay goes to a connection on the under-dash fuse box? This is (AFAIK) so that the mirrors continue to fold after you have turned the vehicle off (ie., press the fold button while vehicle is ON, then turn OFF, and mirrors continue to fold)

Since yours is a 6th Gen, and you do not have a blank spot on your under-dash fuse box to connect to (I've checked the diagrams), what you need to do is use a T-Taps connector and connect your WHT/BLU from the PFM relay to one of these two sources for power, both of which should be WHT/BLU wires, also: the Heater Control Panel or the Stereo Radio Tuner. These wires should pass through the under-dash fuse box somewhere ... they don't (shouldn't!) come OUT of the fuse box, they will be on a pass-through connector from the wiring harness that comes from behind the dash to the one that runs along the dashboard and behind the cluster (I THINK!!!!!!!! Not sure! But that's how 5th Gens are!)

THE MIRRORS

I actually think you have this pretty much sorted out. Except, in your diagram, you have GRN/ORG connecting with GRN/YEL on the mirrors (and vice versa). This is incorrect.


Sure, replace that pin if you aren't happy with it. If it's a solid connection (sturdy) though, then just put some heat shrink tubing on it to cover it and call it a day. Chalk it up to a newbie mistake.

I believe I've addressed this above. You DO use the same +12V and Ground from the stock USDM mirrors, except for the +12V for the relay, as I explained above, this comes from somewhere else.

That link is helpful, but the job he did is ... not very tidy, to put it nicely. Drilling holes in the door to run wires? Yecch. Tip: Run your door wires alongside the existing door wiring harness!!

GOOD LUCK!

 

I am now 100% the mystery ORNANGE/white & BLACK wires lead to nothing. I physically checked the terminals on both sides just to make sure. I drew a diagram to better explain my findings. As for post #6, I don't have time to read your replies today. I will take a look at everything tomorrow. Got a lot of homework tonight.


White DS mirror terminal
[B]
[W][Y/B][Y/R][Y/W]

 

Any progress?

I hope you can read Spanish. I found the Spanish EDM Helms with proper diagrams for 6th Gen Power Folding Mirrors. I extracted (+ removed the password) just the relevant bits for the mirrors and attached them as a PDF.

Looks like some of the wiring changed for 96-97 vs. 98-00. I included both diagrams so you can compare.

Looks like they also added heated mirrors for 99-00, but I didn't include that diagram as it is not relevant to what you're doing here.

Good luck!

 

OK, I just had a look at the 98-00 PFM wiring diagram I attached above. Interestingly, it looks like they did away with the relay beginning in these years, having changed the way the switch works. So, this means you should just need to consult the diagram from years 96-97 for your application.

Also, as I suspected, WHT/BLU for the folding relay is fused by No.47 - same one as for the Heater Control Panel and the Radio.

 

Boy, I sure would like to hear an update on how this project is going ....

 

Update: Progress slow due to Paramedic School!
Mirrors are wired 100%, JDM switch connected to OEM switch wires (these are the 7 remaining wire left over from the old switch).
I tested the mirrors and everythingthing worked perfectly the first time. Power adjust, FTW. A miracle!!! Now comes the hard part of making the relay work so the power folding feature is functional.

 

sorry if I'm bumping an old thread, what is the + on the switch? i know the relay already.

 

anyone!!

 

Did you look at the diagrams I posted?? It's all there.... well, in Spanish, on page 23-G-13.

 

keh!? My power folding project is done! Just in case some one stumbles on this thread, the + source for the relay + wire is located just above the driver side fuse box by your feet. There are about 4 connections above the small fuses. You will need to attach a spade connector to your relay + wire in order to tap in. I will be doing a DIY on this project. It will be posted on clubcivic and ej8squad. Peace.

 

Sorry for bumping an old thread but i finally got my power folding mirrors to work and they are great. The only problem is i couldnt find the power source so I connected it directly to the battery for right now. My mirror switch is just like the ej8 squads diagram, straight row of wires in the back. Getting an alarm installed in a couple of days and having the peeps connect it to a power source and then i am taking pictures of it. look for my page in the next couple of weeks.

 

Hate to bump up an old thread. But has anyone made a schematic on how to wire for a switch with a built in relay?

Thanks!

 

Bump!

 

Did you look at the wiring diagrams I posted?

 

Bump, trying to wire these mirrors on my 99 si. I have a jdm double deck switch, How do I know if there's a built in relay?

 

Figured out it does have a built in relay. I used this diagram but I reversed the power folding wires which are painted red on "mirror 2". The mirrors fold/unfold with no problem, now I need to wire up the rest of the wires in order to adjust the mirrors.