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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 12:31 PM
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Possible? Give me the technical answer, I know my way around MAF systems, every TPS sensor at some point will fail, not completely, but they do send false signals. Tuning software ( and my current S300 software) run a load/rpm fuel and timing table. Fuel over-run is controlled by the TPS and load. I could play with the settings and see if setting the overrun valves beyond the max/mins of the tps are all that are effected, but ALL I WANT TO KNOW is if there are any quick loopholes to just eliminate the TPS and retain driveability. Thanks.
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pavilionlivin
Possible? Give me the technical answer, I know my way around MAF systems, every TPS sensor at some point will fail, not completely, but they do send false signals. Tuning software ( and my current S300 software) run a load/rpm fuel and timing table. Fuel over-run is controlled by the TPS and load. I could play with the settings and see if setting the overrun valves beyond the max/mins of the tps are all that are effected, but ALL I WANT TO KNOW is if there are any quick loopholes to just eliminate the TPS and retain driveability. Thanks.
I am just going to go ahead and say there is no way to eliminate the TPS sensor from the map and retain "stock" or good drivability. There are a bunch of tables behind the scenes that use the delta-TPS values that correct ignition and fuel.

What are you trying to achieve by getting rid of the tps sensor?
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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Little bit out of laziness, a bit for simplicity.

Edit: I've had issues before with lite load driving where the tps would throw a closed signal and fuel cut, very annoying when you are trying to drive smooth through residential areas and such, thought maybe a MAP?rpm only based fuel table would run slightly lean on throttle in but would power on smoother than a map based with TPS influences. I know there are other compensation areas that rely on tps, but there had to be a time where tps and efi werent soo reliant on one another, where tuning could overplay the simple angle of a valve

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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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Tip-in will create more than a slightly lean condition on an engine that flows well. End result: It is better to have than not. If your issues are stemming from fuel cut, you simply need a system with fuel cut settings that are more configurable and can suit your specific needs. NepTune, for example, has TPS, MAP, Speed, and RPM thresholds for the fuel cut to engage, which would likely solve your issues.
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 09:55 AM
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I've tuned just about everything and I've never seen or even attempted to tune anything w/o a TPS input, its a must on any EFI sytem if you want it to perform. Your ECU HAS to know relative throttle position, how else will it see it? MAP? thats the only other way possible and that varies way to much with engine speed in relation to actual throttle plate angle.
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