Suspension & Brakes Theory, alignment, spring rates....

pullin hard to the left

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 22, 2009 | 08:17 PM
  #1  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default pullin hard to the left

94 honda civic si hatch with a h22 swap and i have got a hard pull to the left after my alignment and i am trying to figure out how to correct this problem.. everything suspension wise is new including the rack and pinon ..i even replace the left axel thinking that would help .. the guy that did the alignment said it was a power pull or a radial pull .. so i rotated the tires and it still does the same thing .. any suggestions ? maybe a little differnet alignment setup..? i dont know sway bar or something ? i am in dier need to get this resolved .. thanks
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2009 | 09:03 PM
  #2  
STOCK_SOHC_DX's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,707
Likes: 2
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

Post your alignment specs.
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2009 | 09:34 PM
  #3  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

i wll do that sir but it is going to be tomorrow ..but i will do that ..4 sure..thanks
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2009 | 02:05 PM
  #4  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

here are the readings
the front left -1.1 camber -0.8 caster -0.01 toe
the fron right -1.0 camber -0.7 caster -0.01 toe
the left rear -0.9 camber 0.08 toe
the right rear 0.5 camber 0.06toe
also front total toe -0.02 and steer ahead 0.00
rear total toe 0.14and thrust angle 0.01
i hope this helps out

Last edited by dawgnuts; Nov 23, 2009 at 03:54 PM. Reason: different format
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2009 | 03:45 PM
  #5  
TunerN00b's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,539
Likes: 5
From: Sherman Oaks, CA, United States
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

Well, it does show that at least something is very wrong. Caster should never be negative...
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2009 | 03:45 PM
  #6  
JNocon's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 439
Likes: 0
From: Manhattan Beach, CA, USA
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

Did this problem happen before? Is it pulling to the left when you're driving or when you're braking? Can you post up the alignment sheet that the shop gave you?
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2009 | 06:22 PM
  #7  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

i will try
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2009 | 06:36 PM
  #8  
TunerN00b's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,539
Likes: 5
From: Sherman Oaks, CA, United States
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

Toe looks good.
Camber looks like the car is reasonably lowered, and looks fine.

Negative caster is bad, and can make the car wander all over the road. At least it is even left to right, but something is either bent or misaligned. Since its a 94 Civic, if the UCAs were flipped (left to right), the caster would have gone positive (about 1.5* more), so it probably isn't the UCAs. Maybe check the LCA bushings, LCAs themselves, and the subframe?
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2009 | 07:03 PM
  #9  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

well i did notice that the subframe has a little play in the alignment of the mounting points but not a whole lot maybe a 1/4 or less of movement i gues for some adjustablity..i just put a rack an pinon on it but it was doing this after the first alignment.. but about a year ago i got it semi aligned and it didnt do this at all and that alignment wasnt true speced out because i didnt have enuff adjustments to get it that close..so it just wore out a set of tires rather quickly..so everything except the right axle is new under my front end now and it is doing the pull thing ..it doesnt make sense to me at all ..
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2009 | 08:50 PM
  #10  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

anymore thoughts on this
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2009 | 08:57 PM
  #11  
nokturnal_munkeeboy's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 674
Likes: 0
From: bakersfield, ca, usa
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

get lsd
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2009 | 09:08 PM
  #12  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

yea i got a hook up on one ..i was hoping it wasnt coming down to that .lol
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2009 | 10:46 PM
  #13  
'00DC2's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 194
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA.
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

Originally Posted by TunerN00b
Well, it does show that at least something is very wrong. Caster should never be negative...
i agree.. try to fix that caster. positive is much better. how's the sai?
sounds like torque steer. the h22a is a torque monster, hehe..
Reply
Old Nov 25, 2009 | 07:13 AM
  #14  
hialeahzbg's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,884
Likes: 0
From: SoFlo
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

torque steer...
Reply
Old Nov 25, 2009 | 04:18 PM
  #15  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

well i have came to the conclusion that it is probally torque steer so im going to go with the lsd and all new bushings and new axles .. and if that doesnt fixit im going to burn it down...
Reply
Old Dec 3, 2009 | 11:27 PM
  #16  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

finally got it down to the bear essentials i replaced the pass side axel and boom no more pulling awesome ..but i did find some bushings that need to be replaced and im working on that as we speak.. so thanks guys ,,for the input i feel alot better about everything now..
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2009 | 09:02 PM
  #17  
pi Ka chuuu's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,802
Likes: 0
From: NY
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

lol after seeing ur alignment specs i was going to suggest that maybe its an axle issue since after all u do have an h22 in there =]
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2009 | 10:28 PM
  #18  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

i got all this coming so check it out ..ground control coilovers hard race lca hard race rcas .. and new front swaybar bushing set .. i am now looking for a rear swaybar for a reasonable price if any one knows where one is at let me know ..i trying to get a factory one but it doesnt matter much .. thanks guys
Reply
Old Dec 9, 2009 | 09:10 PM
  #19  
GTlvr82's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,863
Likes: 0
From: A Mile High
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

Why would a messed up axle (not bent of course) have anything to do with how hard it pulls? I have a LSD in my car and it does the jerking/pulling thing pretty bad.
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2009 | 10:18 PM
  #20  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

i have no idea why it did that, but it did, and when i took out the old one and put the new one in it almost quit all together and that is cool.. still pulls a little but no more complaints
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2009 | 10:34 PM
  #21  
.Manny.'s Avatar
Touching My Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,792
Likes: 1
From: Downey, CA
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

Originally Posted by GTlvr82
Why would a messed up axle (not bent of course) have anything to do with how hard it pulls? I have a LSD in my car and it does the jerking/pulling thing pretty bad.
I can't say why exactly but I had the same problem with some eBay axles about two years ago. they developed quite a bit of play and the car pulled to the left on deceleration. Put in some rebuilt oem units and the problem went away.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2009 | 01:16 AM
  #22  
dawgnuts's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

and my only other guess is that it wasn't dividing the power equally because of the dead axle and it was in limp mode
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2009 | 03:35 AM
  #23  
APCXxstovetopxX's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
From: NJ
Default Re: pullin hard to the left

Originally Posted by dawgnuts
and my only other guess is that it wasn't dividing the power equally because of the dead axle and it was in limp mode
yes if the left axle was binding up the trans would put more power to the right side causing the car to pull left
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
00IntegrAllmotoR
Acura Integra
6
Aug 12, 2009 06:48 PM
stevanrk
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
25
Oct 1, 2008 09:10 AM
TurboEM1
Suspension & Brakes
10
Mar 31, 2006 05:12 AM
Batoutahell
Acura Integra Type-R
15
Apr 20, 2005 05:11 PM
k-man
Tech / Misc
6
Aug 8, 2003 06:41 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:39 PM.