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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 06:10 PM
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Now what do you guys think of it. Do you think it's worth buying or getting an FT86 would be an getter buy?
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 08:26 PM
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Up to you and what you want to do with the car.

I plan on buying a CR-Z for my wife for a new daily driver, gonna keep it stock.

The FT looks good, but it is still a concept. CRZ is out in a few months in Japan and later in 2010 for US release.
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 12:36 AM
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Isn't the FT going to be RWD?
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 07:22 AM
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Yes.

Apples to oranges.

Do you want a fun to drive, FWD Hybrid, or a lightweight RWD sports car.
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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the FT86 looks like a silva s15 to me.
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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If it were me I would get the FT86 for sure, as long as it has a Subaru badge on it. Well I might even get one if it has a Toyota badge on it.

Isn't the car basically all Subaru anyway? What did Toyota contribute?
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by civicjunkie17
the FT86 looks like a silva s15 to me.
I think the FT86 actually looks smaller and more compact than a S15 does.
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by civicjunkie17
the FT86 looks like a silva s15 to me.
Thats because of th heavy Nissan/Z influence on the front end

CRZ is a Honda - FT is a Toyota....

I am not a big fan of boxer engines or toyotas really...so...yeah

CRZ

For the record the Z hasnt impressed me much either...great DD but mods are $$$ and the head on this VQ doesnt flow much ....but Hondas flow so well I think we get spoiled.

FT vs OSM is a better comparison

CRZ is a light, tossable fwd car with quick reflexes and forgiving nature at the limit like most Hondas (except the AP1 lol)
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 03:37 PM
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CRZ is a light, tossable fwd car with quick reflexes and forgiving nature at the limit like most Hondas
You know this because..........you have driven one? You make this statement as if you were the test driver for R&D.
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SergEK

CRZ is a light, tossable fwd car with quick reflexes and forgiving nature at the limit like most Hondas (except the AP1 lol)
Hopefully.
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 10:17 PM
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I am gonna sell my DC5, left nut, and part of my soul to get a crz asap.....
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 10:48 PM
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I have a feeling that the CRZ is going to be slow. Is there any information out yet about the drivetrain?
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 11:09 PM
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yeah it probly isnt gonna be a monster but it will have enough zip for me. If it has a manual im set. Im praying its got ivtec and a 6 spd though!

Plus, I could always offer it up to shops as a R+D platform in return for go fast goodies.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ~sp33~
I have a feeling that the CRZ is going to be slow. Is there any information out yet about the drivetrain?
I forget the hp and tq numbers but they are not impressing, but hopefully it is light enough to have a good zip on it. Than again I'm used to the single cams, so it probably wont bother me much.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 07:15 AM
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The new hybrid will have a 140-horsepower, 1.8-liter, single overhead cam (SOHC) i-VTEC engine which comes from the Civic and would be much bigger and more powerful than most current hybrid gasoline engines. The gasoline engine alone, according to Honda's Web site, gets 25 miles per gallon (10.6 kilometers per liter) in the city and 36 miles per gallon (15.3 kilometers per liter) on the highway for a combined average of 29 miles per gallon (12.3 kilometers per liter). That, coupled with an electric motor that would presumably power the car at lower speeds and assist during uphill climbs, will most likely further increase the fuel efficiency of the CR-Z. Executives also plan to offer both automatic and manual transmissions, and the throttle system for the SOHC i-VTEC engine uses drive-by-wire technology.

The system that includes the electric motor and battery will come from the Honda Insight and is called the Integrated Motor Assist system, or IMA. The IMA's design is thin, allowing it to fit between the engine and transmission to allow for more space, a boon for compact hatchback cars like the CR-Z. Another option taken from the Insight is a continuously variable transmission, or CVT, which would be coupled with the drive-by-wire technology.

By taking these various elements from other vehicles and combining them into one package, Honda is attempting to reduce costs. Honda has also cut down on weight: the CR-Z weighs just 2,800 pounds (1,270 kilograms) -- fairly light for a hybrid car. This is mainly due to a lighter body and a smaller battery. Many older hybrids are weighed down by extremely heavy battery packs, which, ironically, results in poor fuel economy.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-e...onda-cr-z2.htm
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 12:23 PM
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I dont understand how the FT even got brought up in a conversation about the CRZ. Two completely different cars aimed at completely different demographics.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 92TypeR
Yes.

Apples to oranges.

Do you want a fun to drive, FWD Hybrid, or a lightweight RWD sports car.
Yeah but Honda is saying that they are going for the first Hybrid sports car... Do you guys think that's true or is it all bull.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by killercrx91
Yeah but Honda is saying that they are going for the first Hybrid sports car... Do you guys think that's true or is it all bull.
Honda seems to think that by giving a car more than 100hp, it's a sports car.

Hopefully the electric engine will give a decent wallop of torque to add to the petrol motors' wheezy output.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ~sp33~
I have a feeling that the CRZ is going to be slow. Is there any information out yet about the drivetrain?
Reports go back and forth -- some say 1.5L and some say 1.8L...I would prefer the 1.8L but only the final production version will tell...hell knowing Honda some markets will get the 1.5 and the others will get the 1.8L lol

EDIT: I forgot to mention 140hp target...the electric assist will make 13hp/50ftlbs and depending on the gas engine the use 127hp/100-120ftlbs -- no final word though

It will be 6 speed though...they made that clear ...first stick shift hybrid since the original insight back in 99

Kid - All I can say is Torrance R&D is a few blocks down the street from me....if somehow its a lift throttle oversteering demon with rabid on/off grip traits I will retract my statement...however everything points to it being a typical sport oriented fwd Honda as I said..the 97 R, 98, 00-01 R, RSX-S, 06 Si, ...while the Rs like to rotate a little quicker they all pretty much the same formula...

Its not as light as the Rs but hopefully they tune for sport more than ride comfort...

These days more OEMs are going stiff dampers with soft springs so who knows...prototypes and test mules are not production versions so ...

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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by killercrx91
Yeah but Honda is saying that they are going for the first Hybrid sports car... Do you guys think that's true or is it all bull.
OSM

S2000 hybrid basically....think open top/rwd CRZ with 200-220hp/130-140ftlbs NA and maybe an extra 20hp/50ftlbs from the electric assist

That I think will be something they make depending on how well the CRZ does
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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I can't wait until the U.S. gets them! Check out this link:

http://www.examiner.com/x-6882-Class...how-with-video

The CR-Z won an award at the 2009 Tokyo Auto Show.

-JT
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 09:33 PM
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Have there been any confirmed prices for the US market on the vehicle?
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 09:40 PM
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Such an ugly ***.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:47 AM
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i love it in a "wanna bang your hot step sister" kinda way.

you know you shouldnt do it but you cant help it.

lol im drunk
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:52 AM
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im really interested in this, but im hoping the hybrid drivetrain wont dull the car down....

cr-z kswap nyoone?
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