Good morning all

First of let me say that I have used the search method and majority of the threads I find tend to be related to the Coupe or Sedan models, so now I would like opinions and options for an Accord wagon.

Considering the fact that my wagon has over 211k on her, with a H22 type S swapped in June 08 at 186k. I feel that it is time to work on the brakes. Now I need options.

This is my first time actually playing around with the brakes on my wagon, I have replaced the front pads a few times but other than that I have not conducted any kind of brake work. So please keep this in mind .

I need options for the MC, Rotors, Calipers, Pads, brake lines. All of this needs to be able to fit under 16" wheels, mine are Enkei MM2, I believe the offset is 42mm

Thanks

 

change to a cl brake rotor set-up.

 

Are the CL brake rotor set-up better than the wagon? Considering that the wagon ones are already bigger than the 4cyc. also what about the MC?

 

shahriar35,

Keep everything the same, unless you want RoH for whatever reason. Buy yourself some Legend GS dual piston calipers or NSX calipers. Both should bolt up to your existing rotor and bracket and give considerably more braking power.

I used ATE Super Blue fluid and Earl's SS brake lines on my Accord. Check for leaks in your MC and you may want to consider just swapping it - the larger calipers seem to cause a more premature failure on old MC's.

- OEM BMC
- Brembo Blank/Slotted rotors (don't get the drilled)
- Hawk HPS pads
- Earl's SS lines (or similar)
- NSX / Legend calipers
- ATE Super Blue fluid

Definitely would be a nice setup. Alternatively you can go RoH and use Prelude VTEC rotors which are the same size as your current setup, but requires more parts.

 

Any good links for the following items:

NSX / Legend calipers

Brembo Blank/Slotted rotors (don't get the drilled)

Hawk HPS pads

Earl's SS lines (or similar)

Will the NSX/ legend calipers fit under the 16in wheels?

And the BMC you are referring to TheMuffinMan am I buying a stock new one or going with the NSX or Legend ones?

 

you get to use slip on style rotors which can be taken off and turned, and also you dont need a special tool to do you rotors

 

www.buybrakes.com or ebay for the brembo slotteds and hawk pads and brake lines ( I went with goodridge)

www.raceshopper.com for brake fluid

the calipers, not so sure... but NSX > ALL

 

Wowo buy brakes.com is great. Just bought the BR45430 Brembo Sport Cross Slotted Brake Rotors - Front (Pair) for 75 plus shipping and tax compared to the price of $128 that tirerack.com wanted to charge.

Now I just need the calipers, pads, brake fluid, and possibly brake hoses

 

 

Shahriar, I would have ordered the pads while I was at it and got the free shipping and $10 discount off of $100 from buybrakes...
Brembo pads are on clearance right now I think...
Hawk HPS is a superb pad as well

The lines made a nice change to pedal feel but if you are working a budget, its the lowest ranked priority I think...

Fluid... get yourself some good racing fluid.. aka ATE superblue , Motul RBF600 or Brembo LCF600

 

I actually went back and revised the order and added the Hawk HPS pads, and the lines, the discount helped.

I also ordered the calipers, now all I need is the fluid.

I hope the install is simple

 

VERY simple except for the rotors.

The BMC can be done in 10 minutes (I had never done one before and it only took me 15 or so)

The calipers are just two bolts for each (again relatively simple)

Shouldn't be too bad at all, you may want to have a shop do the rotors due to them being HoR

 

Shahriar, if you dont mind me asking, what brand lines did you go with? Goodridge?

Another point is that so many people overlook the quality of brake fluid.. for regular purposes Castrol GT LMA or Valvoline is great, but when you are looking for an upgrade, only racing fluid can give you that improvement...
The best value in brake fluid has to be ATE super blue... at $12 per litre, you cant go wrong
In the next price bracket up, the guys at raceshopper rate the Brembo LCF as better than the Motul RBF600 because it is slighlty less compressible.. Both are about $20 for half litre, so $40 per litre.. AKA over 3 times the price of ATE

But surely, the ultimate in racing fluid with NO competition is Castrol SRF$75 per Litre...
It packs a price but is without competition!

Anyway, update us on the install and let me know what you think of the set up...
The brembo slotteds work great, only complaint is a tiny bit of whine at very low speeds when you apply the brake.. (not a problem)
I personally love the Hawk HPS pads, gives me extra confidence, but I have found that they work better after being warmed a bit, 2 or 3 stops later..
The goodridge lines, great upgrade but you must have your brakes properly adjusted to feel the difference on the lines.. casnt have any pedal latency at all, once you touch that pedal you have to feel the brakes begin to clamp...

After I did my brake upgrade, we had to adjust the brakes twice until we got it right... both times were to tighten up the brake cable and pedal

 

Nice.. should be a sweet setup.

 

Adjust what exactly?

My only issue that I am debating with is the fact of having drums. We did a similar swap on my 87 CRX with front brakes from a 89 Integra with having read drums. Since I did not have a proportioning valve I had a lot of play in the pedal. I hope the same doesnt happen on the accord.

Yes I bought the Goodridge likes.

Also I will be ordering the ATE Super Blue brake fluid.

 

We had to tighten up the adjustment screw on the drums in the back twice to remove the pedal latency... Also had to remove the problem where the brake pedal became slightly depressed when I would pull up the handbrake (e-brake)

We got it spot on after the second time... Before that, the first maybe 1/5 of the pedal got a small brake response then you hit the "Sweet spot" and ended up getting exponentially stronger brake response ... needed it to be more linear, which it is now..


Excellent choice on the ATE superblue and the goodridge lines...

 

Any local shops in Socal, preferably in the San Fernando Valley that sells ATE Super Blue?

 

Delivery!!









Have the fluid too, just need the new lines

 

I really love the machining on the brembo sport slotted's... feels so precise..
Let me know what you think of the Brembo pads, took a long time for me to decide to go with Hawk over Brembo... Hawk was cheaper at the time, but now it seems brembo is on clearance

 

So I finally received my steel lines, the ones in the pictures are from the NSX. My question now is if I should use the steel brake lines. I have read about brake failures and that they need to be maintain. So could I please get some input on whether or not to use the steel brake lines.

I do have ATE blue brake fluid, DOT 4.

This car sees a lot of street driving and very rarely does it see track time. Maybe at the most once or twice on the track for some autocrossing, I have my miata for that.

Thanks

 

I personally WOULD use the steel lines, when I put them on my car it made a big difference to pedal feel, definitely firmed it up...
Would be a nice combination to the other brake upgrades..

 

The steel lines are going to help your fluid delivery considerably. The reason for getting them is the stock rubber ones will swell up a bit before fluid goes through them. Doesn't happen with stainless

So long as you bought a reputable brand you should be golden.