I was just looking at HMO checking out the motors the k20a2 complete change over runs 4 grand, and the h22a euro R runs 3900 for complete change over, I'm not K or H series guy knowledge wise thats why im asking, It'd replace my b16a2 in my ej8

Which motor would respond better to mods? ( I/E/H and pulleys) i keep my motors basicaly stock to retain reliabilty.

Euro R says 220hp

k20a2- 200

only thing that caught my eye is the euro R comes with a lsd. I know the k20's are the new thing and make crazy power but the euro R seems like it could give it a run for its money.

I know people like pictures so this is the car it would go in and the motor it would replace

 

get the k swap if money isn't an issue. it will respond better all around. If you dont want to spend alot then the h swap is better. cheaper to get running and it is still a great engine but not as advanced but can be as fast

 

if money is not an issue then k is the way baby ! but if funds are a bit low the h will do . i personally just finished my kswap and i love it ! not to mention i eat h2bs all day =]

 

them's fightin words

K's are nice motors, but an H has a good bit of aftermarket for them now and you can get a full JDM H22a setup for about 2k with trans. Figure about 300 for axles, 400 for mounts, and 300 for a wiring service and you can have a nice 170whp/150wtq motor for about 3k.

One thing different about an H vs K20 is the torque curve. Unless you plan on going k24 ($$) then the K motor will be rev happy ( awesome for tracking and highway runs), but the h will be much more torquey and fun as a daily.

I drive an H22a hatch as a daily and love it, but some friends have some newer si's and i love how the k feels.

 

k series head flows better
block is rev friendlier
transmission gearing is WAY better

go h2b if you're really trying to save money.
money aside, k20a2 is a better starting platform all around.

 

since you already have b series parts i'd say look into h2b. you can find longblocks for 700-800 on here. as you can see in my sig i just finished mines and did pretty ok for a stock motor. total money spent was 2,500.

 

h2b sounds good cant go wrong with it

 

more than a few k series tranmisons ad limted slips, don't let the fact that HMO does'nt have any ITR, k20z3 trans equipped with factory LSD's hold you back from going to a newer platform. the k20 will make the same if not more power by the time you modify the things needed for the older chassis.

also most pople on here like to say "k20" swap, when refferring to k24 blocks aswell, simply changing the crank wil not make it a k24, the deck heights are different, that is like pretty much saying if you have a b18c1 you have a "b16 swap"

 

everybody knows k-series responds better to bolt ons and tunning. the h22 will have just a bit more low end torque than the k20 but the k-series tranny makes up for that along with all the top end they're known for. i have a jdm h22 and i love it but the k-series is just more technologically advanced than the h-series. the h- series is cheaper...has a solid deck block if you buy the earlier model. yes go with the "H" if your on a budget keep your tranny do the h2b conversion get a h22 long block for $1200-$1500. spend the rest on engine mods. but in the end once you have the k-series you know you have a better horsepower per dollar ratio especially in a NA setup when compared to the H-series.

 

please post a video cuz i can almost guarantee you a h2b with a SI tranny will take the cake when going up against a k20

 

^im with this guy


haha thats funny that u say that bc my stock h2b use to do the same thing to kswaps as well.i dont under stand why ppl say that h22 dont respond to as well as k's do.maybe if ur trying to make 300whp. for a motor that doesnt respond well to bolts with a with a built head an sk2 pro1s an a good header i made 247whp an 168wtq. man some of u guys make h22's out to be nothing but junk an i think nah2b is about to make 300whp

 

He makes a little more than 300 whp.

 

lol im sure he did i was just puting it out there its not my part to say what did has done.i get mad when people tell my stories so i wont do that.i was only puting it out there that the h22 guys are not out of the game at all

 

Stock for stock the k20a will AWAYS out-perform a H22, and it will respond better to light modification.

 

He does... and so do I.

 

I know you do.

 

not junk, but the h2b is overrated by the anti- k series guys.

pick your poison, i prefer the k series in the civic because the swap is just placing a new drive train into a new body as a drop in, rather than taking a long block, bolting it to a $2500 plate, messing with the fly wheel, denting the frame rail and mating it to a transmission not meant to be bolted onto the motor. not saying it is a bad thing, it requires more potential work, and will cost more than an h22 swap.

otherwise they are relatively the same amount of work, both cable shifted which due away with the linkages, ecu needs to be chipped(for h22) or aftermarket on both, mounts, and engine harness (reguardless if one is oem or the other is avalible through aftermarket sources) etc.

 

anti- k series i didnt see any h series guys in other then my self claming to be killing h22swaped cars.i see more ppl with k series calling a h2b swaps the poor mans kswap but i can tell u this an there are some other ppl posting in this tread the will agree there isnt anything cheap or poor on our h series engine.an im done talking bc this is not helping the guy with his question at all