Just been doing some research about Honda products. Thinking about Accord V6 Automatic (EX-L).

Let me first say this:

- There is a known transmission problem with the H5 transmission on the Odyssey. Current reading, someone is trying to put together a class action case against Honda (in NY?). Cliff: Transmission died around 30K-80K. At owners cost (most just out of warranty), Honda replace it with the same transmission, and it will (does) die again. Many have said the transmission may not be able to handle a heavy minivan. Same H5 transmission use on the Pilot and Ridgeline, but they have transmission coolers, and there isn't as many around in total as the Odyssey.

- Pilot (09) owners have list issues with oil consumption. Many are long time Honda owners, and know that this is not "Honda-Like." The oil consumption are consider "normal" according to Honda. 1 qt around 3K miles. As a Honda owner for 21 years myself, "adding any oil" to a Honda engine between changes is NOT "Honda-Like." Also, as an former owner of Nissan QR25DE engine, oil consumption can be a (potential) bitch, which lead to me selling the car I once loved for a lost. Honda experts have said, the new engines (V6) are built with greater piston clearance - whatever that mean.

Back to the Accord. The Accord uses the same 3.5L V6 and H5 transmission (am i wrong?). Accord is not exactly a light weight today.

I have not read anything of these issues with the Accord. Did I miss it?

Any issues with Accords V6 automatic?

 

[QUOTE=GoLowDrew;38070621]Just been doing some research about Honda products. Thinking about Accord V6 Automatic (EX-L). Let me first say this: There is a known transmission problem with the H5 transmission on the Odyssey. Current reading, someone is trying to put together a class action case against Honda (in NY?). Cliff: Transmission died around 30K-80K. At owners cost (most just out of warranty), Honda replace it with the same transmission, and it will (does) die again ... Many are long time Honda owners, and know that this is not "Honda-Like." ... As a Honda owner for 21 years myself, "adding any oil" to a Honda engine between changes is NOT "Honda-Like."/QUOTE]

Here's the deal. Money is God in the world, not God! The US NHSTA is only concerned about safety, not transmissions. Why, because big insurance companies [think of AIG] run the US not the people. The US Govt is not going to do one thing to Honda. Honda Motor Company is bulletproof and can easily get away with hiding tranny problems, or doing whatever they feel like doing. Honda has been doing it for years -- Think not? -- Ask any 98 thru 2003 Acura owner about Honda trannies [some of those owners have gone thru 5 trannies]. I once talked to a Honda Shop foreman who told me that the weakest link in any Honda is the tranny - he said they are just not as good as they need to be, and do not even come close to a tried and true tranny like the old Heavy Duty Borg-Warners or the Volvo AW11's, etc. Quite simply Honda is using rinky dink trannies.

But at any rate here is what I found on the Odyssey:

Make: HONDA Model: ODYSSEY

Model Year: 2009

Manufacturer: HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.) Mfr's Report Date: FEB 16, 2009

NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 09V057000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A

Component: PARKING BRAKE:DRIVELINE:HYDRAULIC:HOSES, LINES/PIPING, AND FITTINGS

Potential Number of Units Affected: 421

Summary:
HONDA IS RECALLING 421 MY 2009 ODYSSEY VEHICLES. DURING ASSEMBLY, INCORRECT FRONT BRAKE HOSES WERE INSTALLED. THE BRAKE HOSE CAN CONTACT THE CALIPER BOLT AND OVER TIME A HOLE MAY DEVELOP WHICH WILL ALLOW BRAKE FLUID TO LEAK. THIS WOULD EVENTUALLY RESULT IN REDUCED BRAKE SYSTEM PERFORMANCE.

Consequence:
DRIVERS WOULD NOT BE AWARE OF BRAKE SYSTEM FAILURE AND BRAKING CAPABILITY WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.

Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT BOTH FRONT BRAKE HOSES AND REPLACE WITH THE CORRECT BRAKE HOSES FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON FEBRUARY 12, 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.

Notes:
HONDA RECALL NO. Q99. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153)

 

I have a V6 LX coupe (auto) from 2000, and to my knowledge the transmission on the Accords have always been an issue (correct me if I am wrong) in the recent past. I would further look into that issue to see if Honda is making strides to correct that problem. I got my 00 used, and the tranny was bad at 60,000 miles. They replaced it at their cost, with a new transmission from the factory.

I have heard many stories about Accord tranny's being a pain, whether they need to be replaced or just have annoying quirks (all automatics). Personally, if Honda is replacing the transmissions, which I would ask, I would say the new '09 is a great car to look into. However if there is an outstanding tranny issue they are not pursuing, I am not sure how I would stand on it. But all cars have their quirks

Hope that helps a little bit. I wouldn't be afraid of the new Accord V6 auto.

 

To my knowledge, all of the J-series automatic transmission problems were solved during and after the 2005 model year. I've seen and dealt with countless '97-04 J-series automatic transmission failures, but have yet to see a failure on an '05+ model.

As far as the oil consumption issue goes, if you've never owned a Honda vehicle that didn't consume oil, then you haven't owned enough Hondas. Number of years of ownership is irrelevent. Number of cars owned and mileages driven are.

1 quart consumed per 3000 miles driven (which, by the way, is not a complete oil change interval as specified by Honda) is nowhere near excessive, nor is it a problem. It's normal. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

 

Just buy the 6 spd....

 

Sure, I read many threads about excessive oil consumptions. Those cars maybe have 200K miles. Sure, all old engine will burn oil. One should not expect a late model car to do so. Sorry, I have to disagree with you based on 21 years of ownership and 5 Honda cars. Granted that I have been the first owner for all 5 and never gone over 110K miles. Maybe I just been lucky with my cars. And my other cars from Ford, GM, Toyota. (No luck with Nissan - QR25DE recall).

That's my experience with Honda products, and others (Pilot owners who experience this problem) are in the same position. They continue to buy Honda products because of it's reputation.

Sorry, IMO, burning 1 quart every 3K miles is not acceptable.

FYI. If anyone wants to read on Pilot (Honda 3.5L) engine's oil consumption. Here is a link as example. http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/sho...threadid=23826

 

The most problems I've heard about the 08,09 V6 Accords is the vibrations and surging associated with VCM. Not all V6 Accord automatics seem to exhibit this problem. The other big debate is the lumbar support on the front seats. I have heard nothing about problems with transmissions. What I would suggest, is to do a thorough test drive (in the car you plan to buy), at highway speeds (when most owners say VCM is at it's worst), so you will know exactly what you're buying before signing anything. I have an 03 V6, which is one of those supposedly bad tranny years. I only have 63k miles on it, but up to this point the car has been near perfect.

 

Care to tell me why?

 

sister just bought the 2009 ex-l. nothing wrong with it yet. but i'll keep you updated if there are any problems.

 

x2

cheaper, and more fun alternative.

 

If I still have my 97 Civic (which is still running around town by the current owner), and it needed a quart of oil between changes, that would be fine. It should have 160K miles on the engine. I would still be sort of disappointed, cause when I own it, I almost never add any oil between changes.

If I was to pay $40,000 for a Pilot Touring and it's only got 10K miles on it. It should not be burning "any" oil.

When I had my 06 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V, the engine (recall) had a bad piston ring. According to Nissan, it if burn 2 quart of oil in 800 miles, you get a new engine. Mine burn 1 quart in 800 miles, so live with it. That was my recall solution from Nissan. (wait....didn't I just bought a new car???) If I don't check it often, and the oil is all gone, all of a sudden, the engine will catch fire - which happend to some owners.

IMO, it is not right to live with that kind of worry, or fear, about your car, especially if the car is brand new. That's why we buy a new car in the first place.

That's why I always buy a Honda.

I don't want to get into a debate with you on difference of expectation with Honda products. You have your experiences. My experiences with Honda engines have been perfect in the past.

Did I ever had to add oil to a Honda engine? Yes. A bit here and there over time to top off to the dipstick between changes. Not OMG, I need to add 1 quart of oil.

 

You didn't really answer my question.

Why do you feel that oil consumption of only 1 quart per 3000 miles is unacceptable for a new car? I'm not trying to start an argument; I'm just curious as to where you're coming from here.

 

I don't find that obtuse... my new 3500 mile accord is down about 1/4-1/2 qt, I have no issues with it special taking into consideration how I drive

 

I hope this answer it. It never happened to any of the cars I have owned that I purchased factory new (except the QR25 from Nissan). Honda or not. Never have I add one quart of oil under any circumstances. That's what I expect my cars to be like.

 

x2... I like the looks of the coupe. I can't get past the looks of the 4door (ugly) in my opinion... Too bad GM didn't offer a 6speed with the monte carlo, 3800sc would be fun as hell to drive with a clutch pedal.

Speaking of GM (which has been building some really nice vehicles lately), this honda slushbox talk reminds me of all of the "GM suprises" he talks about. lol...

Like anyone or anything, both companies have their good stuff, and both have their junk. Sadly I wonder if GM got their act together too late.

 

So basically what you're saying is that you don't ever want to have to check the oil? I feel that is unreasonable. You should be checking your oil level regularly no matter what; many people use the "this car shouldn't burn oil" argument as an excuse because they never bother to check their oil level, nor do they want to.

Keep in consideration that the less viscous oils and longer oil change intervals used in modern cars has contributed to this problem somewhat in my opinion.

 

I would like a good explanation of why and where this oil goes, before I can tell you how much of a problem I have with it. Is this oil burned in the cylinder with the gas? Or is it being burned up by bearings? Where does this oil go?

 

Aha, so I'm not the only one noticing the 'dumbing down of America' with 98% of cars sold with slushboxes, power everything, etc... they demanded them to the point automakers just made the stuff standard... whatever happened to a 'stripper' model? Especially one with a good, performance engine?

edit1: Gosh a stripped down, manual everything, v6, 6 speed awd (no on demand crap, full time like subaru) civic would be a sick little brute.

edit2: add minimal sound deadener, a freeflow intake and exhaust, no carpet, radio delete, ac delete to this list. Being MI I'll keep the heater. A specially tuned suspension and more powerful brakes, and Mugen rims/tire package to this... no rice wing or bolt on 'aero' cosmetic bs. To make use of that nice sounding exhaust a bigger cam would sound nice too...

 

that is a problem with not all V6...coz my uncle rides it cool and smooth and still there has been no such complain..what the service center says all about it?

 

Do not fear the new accord v6. in fact it's the perfect time to buy because this generation is in its second year and local honda dealerships are offering 0% apr for a new accord and other models. There is a hesitation when the cylinder deactivation occurs and it can be slightly annoying but over time i've become used to it and I do get around 28/29 mpg highway. To someone who takes driving way too seriously might be annoyed with the hesitation of vcm.

 

You say you don't want to start an argument... but that is EXACTLY what your doing...

He does not want his new car burning oil because that is not what a new car <i>should<i> be doing. Not saying that it isn't acceptable, just not preferred.

Its fine, he just has higher standards than you. Like if I looked at an obese person eating McDonalds I would find their appearance completely unacceptable; where others may say: "what's wrong with it? Many people are fat."

 

4 cyl? hehe