I was really hoping to see some insanely awesome supercharger combo's. Drag racing based combo's are preferred.

Let's see them.

 

this is as crazy as its gonna get:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/anyone-interested-500-whp-supercharger-kit-1997913/

 

we are lacking 4 cylinders and a mullet to have "insane" and "supercharger" in the same sentence

 

Lol...true.

OP: There aren't any decent superchargers available for our engines. The best one you're ever going to see is linked in the first post. Other than that, people have realized that turbo setups are far easier and far superior to an "insane supercharger" setup.

 

rmcdaniel may end up proving you wrong not necessarily total powerwise but definately powerband wise and his dual charger setup was nice

 

Meh, that guy is a supercharger freak. If i say something can't be done, he'll prove me wrong and more. The one downfall of the supercharger is that it has tons of low-end grunt...for me that's not really desirable since i can't catch traction as is...and i dont get full boost til ~4800rpm

 

April.......... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!


The production blower kit should be ready by then, and my new motor as well. Then we'll see what it does, hopefully something other than blow up again.

 

Yeah, keeping it in one piece would be good. All the best to you. Prove me wrong again with the potential of supercharged Hondas

 

this should be a pretty interesting setup when its all done..

http://forums.aspeedracing.com/showthread.php?t=8789

 

That's kind of what I was looking into also, that is, centrifugal superchargers. You can have them reversed to spin CCW. You can get them as small and as large as you want.

 

PROVE IT bish!


Centrifugal superchargers are part failure with a side of yawn IMO. You have to downshift to make decent power in most cases, and only helps in the one area Hondas already succeed at - high rpm. They're great on large displacement motors that stop increasing torque yeilds by 2k rpm, but unimpressive when you still have to downshift twice (with a b16 trans) to pull on someone.

From the info availible, the new Eaton MP-x blowers appear to have symetrical nosecones to enable reversed drive, which should have been done a long time ago. They cost a LOT though, a twin screw + jackshaft would be a better choice. However with the parts Roger has been assebling, you don't need a 'final solution' SC from Eaton - just mix the old with the new.

 

I've talked with a lead engineer from BDS before in regards to putting a large 6-71, and next a 4-71, on a B16. The thing is that you'd be forced to spin it really slow to alleviate unwanted amounts of boost. However, he predicts that 400hp is a start as far as power production. He said, however, and as one could only imagine, that mounting the charger would be the biggest challenge. The most important thing, I think, about the conversation was that he said it would or could work.

 

I'm going to put a big wastegate on the charge pipe and use a boost controller. That way I can do gear-dependent boost control in lower gears where traction might be an issue.

 

H22 civic with jackson roots type 300.7 on very conservative timing and E85.

Stock bottom end. Stock Unit..

Going to Endyne next winter and H is getting forged pistons and rods with some custom cut cams...
Shooting for mid to high 300's on E85..

I'll post up a short video in a bit... Who says a supercharged car needs to downshift - this is 60mph (CLOSED COURSE) no traction till around 95mph...

Not weak by no means....

-Jerod

 

HiProfile was actually reffering to centrifigal or "pro" chargers, superchargers need no downshifting (boost at 2500 is just a great concept!) but i hope to be supercharged on 9psi with my GSR CRX within the next month or so, shooting for 230-250WHP not insane but im hoping it'll be hella fun! plus a little spray for insurance!!

 

roadracerforlife that build is nasty. Thing looks amazing Idefinitely need to do some research on a supercharge build glad I found some hwere. Been tryin to figure how the hell to supercharge a honda motor and get past 219 HP. I want some very decent numbers without turbo. Every one goes turbo so... What about testing a set up based off of a cobalt ss supercharger made to fit a B20? possible? Would it work?

 

A m62?? yeah thats probably been done thousands of times........

 

I'm pretty sure there's a couple new rotrex kits out for the Kseries that have made 400-450whp.

Think theres even a guy on here making like high 380s on a procharger setup on a b16.

 

More than that:

http://www.kraftwerksusa.com/kw-dyno.php?productId=43


K-series are easy, the motor spins the right way and they have a 7-rib belt with a decent tensioner. After I get the B-series done, maybe I'll make a K-series blower setup. I've got an extra K20A2 short block sitting around.

 

do you guys realize a centrifugal supercharger will produce the power curve that looks like a turbo with boost creep, because it is essentially half a turbo that boost depends on how the rpm's are as the rpm's rise the boost rises

a turbo setup with boost creep will produce that power curve of a centrifugal supercharger and make more power depending on the size of the turbo compared to any sized centrifugal supercharger

here's an example of a centrifugal setup on a f20c
mods.
Engine: Bone Stock F20c, 3mm headgasket

Mods: Vortech blower, air/liquid intercooler, custom 4-1 header, 3" exhaust, no cat, RC 750cc injectors, walbro 255lph fuel pump, AEM 3.5 bar map sensor, AEM EMS with internal built in UEGO

Tuning at 11psi peak boost on 93 octane:


compared to a equal turbo setup on the same engine and if someone could overlay the supercharger with the high boost of the turbo chart you will see what im saying here is the chart for a turbo

even the low boost tq curve has more mid range and if you would just let it creep as the rpm's rise you can imagine it would look similar to the supercharger curve but better
there is a reason the fastest cars in the world not running nitromethane are running turbochargers if allowed in there class such as the 10.5 outlaw cars all the fastest have changed over to turbo's
here is an even better examble of a turboed s2000

that dyno is at 7 and 10 psi on .82 3071 i think that is the best curve i've seen for a s2000 that could be daily driven and have plenty down low as well as up top

 

8 PSI -w- belt slip above 6K. Working on it now (block is out for re-sleeving, injector failure on the dyno trashed the motor), but I have the new pulley/tensioner setup for 14 PSI -w- no belt slip done, just have to put the motor back together. Eventually I'll push 20+ with this setup, no spooling required, full boost from idle (I'll use a boost controller for the lower gears, 20+ PSI from idle in 1st gear would not be good, exciting yes, but not good):

 

A roots,Eaton,Whipple,Lysolm are the only superchargers and not a centrifugal type that is the only type i think is worthwhile on any Honda IMHO.
Also your motor setup is not much like anyone else's at all, being a tall block and what is it? 95mm stroke, and unless that kit your working on makes it to market no other supercharger setup is in the same ballpark wouldn't you agree?
if it makes it to market it would be a great viable option for all b series setups looking for a lot more ummph down low and still plenty up top wouldn't you agree on this as well?

how do you think a setup would work with a centrifugal supercharger working in conjunction with a turbo would work?

 

I think so, otherwise centrifugal blowers would have caught on already. We'll see once Charles gets done with the kit. I could go on about the benefits for different types of racing, but we'll get one on a drag car and see what a good driver can do. Based on my drag racing runs of 12.0-1 at 125+, I pretty much suck at drag racing, but a guy is running 10's in an old T-bird V6 with the blower that I'm using, so maybe a good driver will benefit from it.

 

Any SC feeding a big turbo will spool it faster, you just pay for it up top where the big turbo is more efficient and the blower is a drag on your motor. It works great for something like autocross or daily driving, but it's awfully complex and expensive. I liked my dual setup, but the new Roots setup will blow it out of the water while being much cheaper and simpler.