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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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Default front turn signal lights always on help please!!!

does anyone know how to make the front turn signals stay on with the headlights and still blink when i turn on my turn signal? i saw this video and want to do it just like that!! =P

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it looks clean. <3 i know it has to do something with the civic light sockets or something and a dual filament bulb? if anyone can tell me the steps or anything that would help that would be great! thanks =D
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 12:48 PM
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Probably helps if you tell us the year of your car.

That's how the 94/95 lights were stock. The 96/97 got the larger bumper lights and no need for a corner light blinker too.

If you wanted to do it if you toss ground cable from the bulb in the corner lense to the power cable for the turn signal when the turn signal is on it'll be Power/Power and turn off, when the turn signal is off the power line acts like a ground, so the bulb will be on.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 04:06 PM
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You're going to have to locate a dual contact socket to accomodate either an 1157, a 1057 or a 7443 Dual element bulb. Once you do that, it's a simple matter of wiring one element (the dimm(er) one) to the headlamp feed wire, and the other to the portion of the corner lamp harness which flashes.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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OH WAIT!!!!

I completely misread that.

You want the bumper lights to stay on and flash, not the corners

Easiest is dual filament bulb holder from a Civic (believe the 93ish ones work) then do kinda what I said to the corners but for the turn siganls.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by P_Adams
You're going to have to locate a dual contact socket to accomodate either an 1157, a 1057 or a 7443 Dual element bulb. Once you do that, it's a simple matter of wiring one element (the dimm(er) one) to the headlamp feed wire, and the other to the portion of the corner lamp harness which flashes.
thanks! but does any auto shop have these parts or only online? how much do you think i can expect to spend? should i just go to a junkyard?
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 03:57 AM
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Take MuffinMans suggestion and try to rustle up a front parking light socket from an earlier CIVIC. You'll find this stuff almost exclusively in a salvage yard. If you've got a "Cut & Carry" yard near you; that would be ideal. That way you could do a "Walk-About" at your leisure and find what you want. The possibility does exist that a Dual Contact Socket from your year Accord's Rear lamps MIGHT fit as well... my reasoning?: Why make two different sockets when one could be used where ever....?
It's more about the diameter and the locking tabs than anything...

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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan
Probably helps if you tell us the year of your car.

That's how the 94/95 lights were stock. The 96/97 got the larger bumper lights and no need for a corner light blinker too.

If you wanted to do it if you toss ground cable from the bulb in the corner lense to the power cable for the turn signal when the turn signal is on it'll be Power/Power and turn off, when the turn signal is off the power line acts like a ground, so the bulb will be on.
do i need to use a relays? i read somewhere about 12v 30a relays but do i need them? and how do i use them? what gauge wires should i use?? i read like 16-18 gauge wires, is that fine?
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I don't believe a relay (Or relays) would be required. What are you looking at, no more than 3 watts (maybe) on any one circuit. It all depends on how elaborate you want to get. But required, NO.
Now, if you were installing Fog/Driving lights ... THAT would require a relay!

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Originally Posted by P_Adams
I don't believe a relay (Or relays) would be required. What are you looking at, no more than 3 watts (maybe) on any one circuit. It all depends on how elaborate you want to get. But required, NO.
Now, if you were installing Fog/Driving lights ... THAT would require a relay!

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so basically id just splice wires and electrical tape?

so i just need wires of the right gauge..? what gauge will be ideal? i have 20 gauge on hand, will that work?
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Kinda sorta decoy,

Personally I'd solder them and use shrink wrap as over time electrical tape can be a mess - especially if it's exposed to elements like it would be behind the bumper cover.

Shouldn't need a relay, the way the corner lights and bumper lights work is the power is a ground until you activate it, then it goes to a power. I thought about it more and assuming you have a 94/95 Accord, I'd just splice BOTH power and ground to the blinking corner light (I believe it's the further back one towards the fender). Then when you turn on your parking lights, both the corners and the turn signals would come on. When you signal either direction - that corner blinks and the signal would blink.

The way I was telling you would work, but they would alternate.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan
Kinda sorta decoy,

Personally I'd solder them and use shrink wrap as over time electrical tape can be a mess - especially if it's exposed to elements like it would be behind the bumper cover.

Shouldn't need a relay, the way the corner lights and bumper lights work is the power is a ground until you activate it, then it goes to a power. I thought about it more and assuming you have a 94/95 Accord, I'd just splice BOTH power and ground to the blinking corner light (I believe it's the further back one towards the fender). Then when you turn on your parking lights, both the corners and the turn signals would come on. When you signal either direction - that corner blinks and the signal would blink.

The way I was telling you would work, but they would alternate.
thanks muffin man! yea, if they alternate, that looks funny, i was gonna ask about that. cuz a lot of people mod it and it alternates.. well the other forums i looked up about it.. but if they blink at the same time it would be even better! man, i went to a junk yard and they tried to sell me the dual filament socket for 15 bucks each! i think i saw it online for cheaper so i guess ill shop around more..

so are you saying i need to solder three wires together? the brighter wire of the dual filament socket(bumper), and ground wire of the dual filament socket (bumper), and the brighter wire of the dual filament socket (corner light of the headlights)? yea i have a 1994 accord sorry for not mentioning that.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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I don't own a 94/95 but it should just be 2 wires together the corner light I would imagine is on a different relay to have it on and flash. You shouldn't even need a 2nd filament bulb holder. I wired my sidemarkers straight to the turn signal with no issues, I can't imagine it'd be any different for you to wire the turn signals to the corner lights.

If you want to test it take out the corner light and wire it straight to the turn signal (they're not the same socket) but you could stick wires in the socket and touch them to the turn signal's to test.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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I don't own a 94/95 but it should just be 2 wires together the corner light I would imagine is on a different relay to have it on and flash. You shouldn't even need a 2nd filament bulb holder. I wired my sidemarkers straight to the turn signal with no issues, I can't imagine it'd be any different for you to wire the turn signals to the corner lights.

If you want to test it take out the corner light and wire it straight to the turn signal (they're not the same socket) but you could stick wires in the socket and touch them to the turn signal's to test.
really? arent the corner lights dual filament bulbs, one blinks and one is running lights? so if i just wire my single filament bumper lights to the running lights, wouldnt it turn off when i start to signal but stay on with the headlights? im sorry, im so lost now.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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<- not 100% sure as I don't own one, There are two bulbs in the corner light I know the ones in my 96 and 97 both just have two wires.

I'm assuming that the one that blinks just has two wires in then 94/95 and is on a different relay to blink and be on all the time.

You could do a quick test yourself by just pulling the corner light and checking it (1 screw) and verify if it has 2 or 3 wires.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 05:20 PM
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ohhhh... yea, there are two bulbs in the corner light... haha i feel dumb now... thanks... but one more question... what gauge wires should i use?
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Off the top of my head - maybe like 18 gauge?
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan
Probably helps if you tell us the year of your car.

That's how the 94/95 lights were stock. The 96/97 got the larger bumper lights and no need for a corner light blinker too.

If you wanted to do it if you toss ground cable from the bulb in the corner lense to the power cable for the turn signal when the turn signal is on it'll be Power/Power and turn off, when the turn signal is off the power line acts like a ground, so the bulb will be on.
ok, well, i tried this.. now my side marker flasher circuit in my integrated control unit shorted out. this is apparently a no-no... soooo, im just gonna have to go to a junkyard and put it back the way it was...... then try a different method...
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 12:10 PM
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man... the cheapest ICU unit is about 60 bucks online... does anyone know where i can find a cheaper one?
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Originally Posted by azndecoy66
ok, well, i tried this.. now my side marker flasher circuit in my integrated control unit shorted out. this is apparently a no-no... soooo, im just gonna have to go to a junkyard and put it back the way it was...... then try a different method...
Wait what?

Did you accidentally cross the wires or something? And that is to alternate the lights. Let me see if I can find the wiring diagram to try to illustrate it.

Sorry about that
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Old Nov 24, 2008 | 09:07 PM
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i have the helms manual on it, so i see the circuit. i did it already and have the running lights i wanted <3 thanks. but yea, i replaced the ICU and that wasnt the problem apparently... i spliced the single filament bulb into the corner blinker bulb. it worked for about 20 minutes and then stopped working. so now i have the running lights attached to the parking with dual filament bulbs so i still have blinkers, but the corner blinkers still dont work.. i cant think of anything else that could be wrong. i was so sure it was the ICU because the blinkers are 5 Watts and i spliced 21 watt bulbs to em, so it was pulling 52 watts from the ICU as opposed to 10.. idk what the problem was after that.. but at least i still have blinkers in the front.. but i would like the corners to work again...
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Do your parking lights come on as well? And the interior lights? Might just be a fuse. Check the under the hood box. Power and Power with nothing grounded shouldn't cause an issue. And if you swapped out the ICU you should be ok.
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