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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 10:39 AM
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I was looking around the website if there was any info about the best way to get a stiffer spring on my 4 generation accord but without lowering it.

I'm going to run Koni adjustable shocks all around. I was thinking maybe using a 5 generation accord but I'm a little unsure.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 11:04 AM
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I'm confused, why do you want Koni adjustable shocks but don't want it to be lowered?

Your best bet would be to get coilovers and just jack the coil up to the top
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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I guess i could do that also. Then what would be a good coil over setup?

I saw the ebay ones and i kinda want to stay away from them as you get what you pay for type of deal.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 11:29 AM
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TEIN or Ground Controls w/ your koni yellows.

Look at the Suspension Thread
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 12:57 PM
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try getting stiffer sway bars, a bigger sway bar
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Soc@lep3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">try getting stiffer sway bars, a bigger sway bar </TD></TR></TABLE>

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If you want a stiffer spring, then you could try Eiback Pro Kit or Tien H-Tech's. They do lower your car, but not by much at all. That might a good route if you want to be budgeted.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 01:44 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm confused, why do you want Koni adjustable shocks but don't want it to be lowered?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's not that confusing, I can think of at least three reasons to have Konis but not lower the chassis in any way; to maintain ground clearance if you need to drive on less than smooth roads, to keep the car looking stock thus lessening potential attention from police, because your wife doesn't want you to...
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnlear &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It's not that confusing, I can think of at least three reasons to have Konis but not lower the chassis in any way; to maintain ground clearance if you need to drive on less than smooth roads, to keep the car looking stock thus lessening potential attention from police, because your wife doesn't want you to...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Koni Reds would solve that they're less expensive and are not adjustable.

Koni Yellows ONLY allow you to lower it by using the lower perch setting, there is not a higher perch.

I also believe they lower 1" on their own? with an additional 1" from the perch setting.

That's why I asked.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnlear &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because your wife doesn't want you to...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow, now that's whipped.


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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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the lower 1 is more of normal and the higher is raise it up.. haha
get gc w/ koni yellow... gc u can get custom springs so u can get as stiff as u want... and jack it up ...
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The highest perch is about the same as the stock height. The lowest perch is about 1" lower</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 09:41 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Koni Yellows ONLY allow you to lower it by using the lower perch setting, there is not a higher perch.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yellows for Accords (CB7 / CD5) have two perch slots on the front dampers, the top one is stock ride height, the lower one is a bit lower (don't know what the actual drop might be, but it's not a lot).

The Yellow rears have three perch slots, the middle one being stock height, the lower one being a bit lower (about the same difference as for the front damper slots), the upper one provides a significant lift over stock height.

I've never seen them, but my understanding is that the Yellows used in the Neuspeed Cup Kit have more slots than the stock Yellows, so more ride height choices (and different damper rates to the stock yellows).

The stock Yellows can be machined to provide more slots, any competent machinist should be able to do it at reasonable cost. All that's needed is to replicate the existing slots, but in different positions on the damper body.

I have my Yellows on the lowest front slot, and the highest rear slot. I've raised the rear because on rough roads with heavy luggage and / or rear passengers the rear bottoms out too easily. The car still handles very nicely with the rear up (with my other modest mods too), and definitely looks better without the stock **** down stance.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I also believe they lower 1" on their own? with an additional 1" from the perch setting. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think so.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 09:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hurleyint &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Wow, now that's whipped. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's not quite as bad as it sounds! The problem is that the car belongs to both of us, and we both drive it. She already thinks the Koni Yellows are too stiff (I haven't told her that they can be substantially softened!). Anything for domestic harmony though!

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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnlear &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It's not quite as bad as it sounds! The problem is that the car belongs to both of us, and we both drive it. She already thinks the Koni Yellows are too stiff (I haven't told her that they can be substantially softened!). Anything for domestic harmony though!

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Ahh. Well since the car belongs to both of you, I see where you're coming from now.

I thought you meant she doesn't let you mod your own car. That just wouldn't be cool.
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 02:38 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnlear &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yellows for Accords (CB7 / CD5) have two perch slots on the front dampers, the top one is stock ride height, the lower one is a bit lower (don't know what the actual drop might be, but it's not a lot).

The Yellow rears have three perch slots, the middle one being stock height, the lower one being a bit lower (about the same difference as for the front damper slots), the upper one provides a significant lift over stock height.

I've never seen them, but my understanding is that the Yellows used in the Neuspeed Cup Kit have more slots than the stock Yellows, so more ride height choices (and different damper rates to the stock yellows).

The stock Yellows can be machined to provide more slots, any competent machinist should be able to do it at reasonable cost. All that's needed is to replicate the existing slots, but in different positions on the damper body.

I have my Yellows on the lowest front slot, and the highest rear slot. I've raised the rear because on rough roads with heavy luggage and / or rear passengers the rear bottoms out too easily. The car still handles very nicely with the rear up (with my other modest mods too), and definitely looks better without the stock **** down stance.

I don't think so.
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The Neuspeed ones have more perch slots, as opposed to the regular setup.

I was incorrect in saying that they lower 1" on their own but corrected myself in a later post .


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Reference from Koni:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The front shocks (8041 1152 Sport) has two perch locations. The top perch location is for the stock ride height while the lower one will lower the car 25mm. The rear shocks (8041 1153 Sport) has three locations. The top one is for when the rear of the car is heavily loaded quite often. The middle perch is the stock ride height location. The lowest groove will lower the car about 15mm. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So you are correct, the front you cannot raise the car up whatsoever, the rear raises you up slightly.
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 09:53 AM
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I was thinking about it for a little bit. A stiffer spring from another generation accord would be cheaper to get vs getting lowering springs. But i'm still open to suggestions and appreciate all of your ideas.
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