I want to go all motor, but it seems too expensive for great amounts of speed. What do I need and how much?

Also, if I buy a jackson racing supercharger, what else do I need to buy to ensure it works properly. Also, can you run a supercharger on a stock car (what parts compliment the performance best?)

 

What kinda of car do you have, lets start there/

 

I have an integra type r (that is why i posted in the type r forum) sorry for not clarifying. Any help from anyone would be appreciated

 

Oh its OK, he was just setting you up for some snobby R owners anti-GSR or Hybrid comment

 

it wont take much. i had my r jrsc when i first bought it. i had tyhe kit boosting 5.5 lbs, a vafc, injectors, fuel rail, apexi itc, fuel pressure regulator and cam gears. the car ran hard.
now when i decided to take the kit off, i left everything on except for the fuel pump and the injectors (way to much gas than needed) i then purchased a mugen header and exhaust. the car did not feel any slower tha before. it felt as fast just different power.
i think if you get a header exhaust, some cams and some tuning devices you'll be way ahead of any jackson racing superchaged type r. the best thing about it is that your car's power will be consistent. my charged car was fast but only for the first 2-3 runs, after that heatsoaking was a factor and she started to act all sloppy (part of the reason i took it off). dont waste your money on the jrsc kit. use that money for the thing si stated above and trust me you'll be alot happier. this was an expensive lesson for me to learn.

 

Sorry you had such a bad experience with your jrsc. I'm not sure why you had a fuel rail, injectors and cam gears installed with you base jrsc kit, as these are not needed to make good power. However, if you removed the blower, and got the same or better power by installing a mugen header and exhaust, then something was very wrong with you blower, either the install or tuning, or maybe the blower itself.

Let me set the record straight, a type r with a mugen header and exhaust (and a/f & ignition tuning) will get walked HARD by an equally well-tuned jrsc type r. Heat build-up should not cause a noticeable performance loss with the base jrsc, especially after only 2-3 runs. I'm not sure what you mean when you say your car acted "sloppy" after 2-3 runs. I've called my blower a lot of names in the past, but "sloppy" isn't one that I've used yet.

 

Most people with a R on a JRSC are putting down 200ish. Equally there are people that are putting done 200ish with all the requsite parts (Cams, decent header, tuning, tuning, tuning.).

I raced a GSR with a JRSC before I got my Toda cams tuned and up to 4th gear we dead even and he was making 215 to the wheels (We went fro ma roll in 1st.

 

I'd hardly call this a fair comparison. You have an ITR swap in a hatch and a significant power to weight difference; 2600 lb GSR vs 2100 lb hatch

 

Not only that, but I really dont think street encounters are accurate.

Maybe if you hit the dyno, inspect the cars, then make a run down the street, sure. But even then, weight, driver skill, etc all come into play. You never know if his setup or your setup was running to its full potential or if you/him were having problems.

 

I've called your blower sloppy - does that count?

 

of course you are going to defend your jrsc type r.

i know my car was tuned well with the charger. here is a true story that happened to me. i had my charged type r and my freind had his type r with a mugen header, mugen exhaust, aem cam gears, b&m fuel pressure regulator. we would race and i would jump on him out of the hole and take him out by a car or so. by the 3 run he would creep on me more and more. my cars reaction wasnt as crisp and on point as the racing continued. my j&s would retard my timing more and more due to heat from the charger. my exhasut temp would rise to the point where the car was just sucking in hot air. dont say it was the way it was tuned right cause my other freind had a type r with a charger installed and tuned by someone else and his car would *** out after a few runs.

i'll say it again there is no consistency with a jrsc. the charger is mounted directly to the intake side of the motor. which means the more that charger spins the more heat it causes due to friction. this heat that is cause by the charger is done at the worst place there can be heat, on the intake side of the motor.
i mean you can sit here and defend it all you want. if you are happy with it then fine. i was not impressed by the power it made for the money i spent. the only thing i like about the charger was 5th gear. i would be on the highway in 5 and not need to downshift since the car was right in the v-tec engagment. the charger in v-tec pulled sick. the thing is there was only so long you could stomp on the gas in 5th on the highway before the exhaust temp would rise to a point where you either had to let off or hurt the motor.
if you ask me i dont think the jrsc was well executed. i think it is a poor excuse for boost.

jrsc=heat
heat=enignes enemy
jrsc right on the intake side of the head=cars efficiency going down the drain.
jrsc get a realy big in my book

na motor with cooler intake and exhaust temps is so much more efficient than a jrsc blowing hot *** air into the motor.

the underhood temperature was horrible cause of the charger.

jrsc
all motor
if you want to go boost i would recomend a turbo over a jrsc charger any day.

the turbo is mounted on the exhaust side of the car which would keep the heat farther from the intake. you can put a intercooler that would help the motors efficiency.

i personally am towards the NA route on a type r. i am a fan of boost but would do it to another car like my civic.


[Modified by eviltwin, 6:31 PM 7/26/2002]

 

Leave it stock.

 

For a JRSC set-up I would recommend at least an aqua mist system. My car does suffer from heat soak after driving around for a long time and driving hard, but by adding a custom cold air set-up, I am able to avoid sucking in too hot of intake temps. however, heat soak gets to be a problem after hard driving + driving for long periods... regardless of temperatures outside. Apparantly the Hondata Gasket is supposed to prevent heat soak or reduce it, also.

I tell you this though... considering my car is an LS and its an AUTOMATIC AND i have what some like to call the "ping machine", not many has been able to touch me on freeway encounters. If I do any other mod though, it would be Aquamist or the Hondata Gasket. Fix the heat soak and have a perfect lil sleeper set-up.

 

Sell the ITR and get a GSR if your heart is set on a JRSC. A blower on a 10.6:1 compression motor is not a good idea in anyone's book.

$2500 for a JRSC will get you Toda Spec A's, a good 4-1 header, sfc-vtec controller, cam gears, plus more. You'll need to tune both equally and you'll be within 5hp of the jrsc with a good and easy all-motor setup.

Blower on a R

 

AGREED

 

Actually I meant to say it was a GSR SC'd in a EK hatch. And my hatch weighs 2250-2350. We both had 3 people


[Modified by Apex i ITR, 1:14 PM 7/26/2002]

 

here we go again with the tale of "compression = no good for FI"

 

An all motor, Toda A powered ITR killed a hatch with a GSR engine and a JRSC???

The one motor a JRSC works great on is a GSR. If you were next to him, you drop a gear and he didn't.

 

I had Toda B's. I didn't kill him I stayed half a car length ahead of him.

 

Do you have a stock bottom or what?

 

I believe he has a jdm itr motor with spec b's...

As far as the jrsc'd hatch, I'm gonna assume traction had something to do with those pulls since they were in 1st gear.....

 

Evil, what did you dyno at with your jrsc?