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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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Default Mini-me starting problem possibly timing issue***

Okay so the setup is a D16Y7 block with a supposedly D16Y8 head but has a Z6 manifold. I got screwed by a fellow honda-tech member... but pretty much I got the head and block already assembled minus timing belt, crank pullley and a billion other small crap.

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So I lined up the crank to TDC according to the gear and the mark on the front cover. Lined up the cam pulley with UP mark and left and right cam marks with the pointers on the timing belt cover. Installed timing belt and installed the motor. Started it up and got a weird cranking sound like my timing is off. Checked timing again and found that it was kinda off so I adjusted accordingly and did this over about 5 times moving the cam pulley 3 tooths back and fourth.

I checked compression and found cylinder #1 with about 95 psi and #3 with 65 psi. What does that mean? Timing off?

Finally I got it started once by gassing it while starting and it sounded like the timing was off and had it running for about 2 seconds then all of a sudden I hear a loud *clank* and the motor stopped. Looked like the timing belt jumped a tooth or something now the timing looks right on and sounds like the video attached below.

What else can I check? I checked firing order on distributor, advance/retard of timing, fouling of spark plugs, battery voltage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y_vMJr6VcA




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Old Sep 7, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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Anyone?
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 08:09 AM
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 08:20 PM
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Default Re: Mini-me starting problem possibly timing issue*** (ozzyman)

If that's a screwdriver pointing at the timing mark on the cam pulley, it sure looks to me like your timing is not correct.
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jaker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If that's a screwdriver pointing at the timing mark on the cam pulley, it sure looks to me like your timing is not correct. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Its actually an oil dip stick but its lined up with the rear cam cover pointer to the right of it. It doesnt really look off to me?
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 09:38 PM
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Are there not 3 timing marks on the cam gear? 1 that says "up" and 2 others that are diametrically opposed? The ones that are opposite each other should be level with the flat surface of the cylinder head casting.
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 09:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jaker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are there not 3 timing marks on the cam gear? 1 that says "up" and 2 others that are diametrically opposed? The ones that are opposite each other should be level with the flat surface of the cylinder head casting. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes there are 3 timing marks.. but for the 1.6l you line the marks on the side with the rear/inner timing cover not the cylinder head like the 1.5l.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 08:19 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jaker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are there not 3 timing marks on the cam gear? 1 that says "up" and 2 others that are diametrically opposed? The ones that are opposite each other should be level with the flat surface of the cylinder head casting. </TD></TR></TABLE>

do what he say
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 08:22 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LA_HONDAS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

do what he say </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ozzyman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yes there are 3 timing marks.. but for the 1.6l you line the marks on the side with the rear/inner timing cover not the cylinder head like the 1.5l.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I tired that anyways and it doesnt make it run any better.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 08:42 AM
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is it getting spark

are the plug wires on right

is it getting fuel

do it try to start
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 08:58 AM
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it could be the fuel relay
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 10:28 AM
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So I got it started. Since the camshaft rotates 180* for every full 360* turn of the crankshaft, I rotated the cam 180*. Timing still sounds off.. it starts up rough and idles rough. Advanced/retarded my camshaft one tooth each way and still runs rough. Any ideas?
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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are the plug wires on right switch the two top wires around
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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Wires are as follows on the dist. cap.
3
1 4
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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try
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4,3
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