Drag Racing Drag Racing (legal) & Associated Topics

need gearing advice (fall out of vtec every shift)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 31, 2008 | 10:45 AM
  #1  
killerpenguin21's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,370
Likes: 8
From: where cars dont get stolen, NY
Default need gearing advice (fall out of vtec every shift)

so i finally got my car tuned. its an ls/vtec making 200whp. my pro1 cams liked vtec at 6800, and i redline at 8600. every shift drop me out of vtec by 800-1000 rpms, which i know will kill my times.

now my question is, i was planning on stepping up from my 4.4 final to a 4.785 fd. will this in anyway help the rpm drop? or is the only way to go with something like the mfactory close ratio gearset?

thanks for any insight
Reply
Old May 31, 2008 | 11:32 AM
  #2  
mike93eh2's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,009
Likes: 0
From: missouri
Default

are you using a LS trans? why dont you upgrade to a gsr or b16 trans? what size tires?
Reply
Old May 31, 2008 | 12:20 PM
  #3  
killerpenguin21's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,370
Likes: 8
From: where cars dont get stolen, NY
Default Re: (mike93eh2)

gsr trans all stock with 205/50/15's.
Reply
Old May 31, 2008 | 01:26 PM
  #4  
Dr. D-Series's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,352
Likes: 0
From: Bronx, NY
Default

Final drive will only lower/raise speed in each gear.

Ratio will change your rpm drop.
Reply
Old May 31, 2008 | 02:08 PM
  #5  
killerpenguin21's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,370
Likes: 8
From: where cars dont get stolen, NY
Default Re: (Dr. D-Series)

so i should do the 3.070 first with the close ratio 3-4-5 over the 4.785 final?
Reply
Old May 31, 2008 | 02:55 PM
  #6  
DLB1994's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,083
Likes: 0
From: manakin sabot, va, us
Default Re: need gearing advice (killerpenguin21)

why not just lower ur vtec down to 6k?
Reply
Old May 31, 2008 | 03:12 PM
  #7  
killerpenguin21's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,370
Likes: 8
From: where cars dont get stolen, NY
Default Re: need gearing advice (DLB1994)

because when tuned to clean the dip out of the power curve thats where it needed to be, and thats where it made themost power once we played with the cam gears. pro 1s usually like high x-overs. you cant just drop the x-over 800 rpms.
Reply
Old May 31, 2008 | 03:16 PM
  #8  
DLB1994's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,083
Likes: 0
From: manakin sabot, va, us
Default

and the power stopped at 8600?.. most pro 1's make power to well over 9k if there a nice header..
Reply
Old May 31, 2008 | 06:28 PM
  #9  
killerpenguin21's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,370
Likes: 8
From: where cars dont get stolen, NY
Default Re: (DLB1994)

no i can make power higher, but its on factory ls rods with just arp hardware so for longevitys sake we decided to keep it below 9k.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2008 | 10:52 AM
  #10  
AllMotorRandy's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,220
Likes: 1
From: So Cal
Default Re: (killerpenguin21)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by killerpenguin21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so i should do the 3.070 first with the close ratio 3-4-5 over the 4.785 final?</TD></TR></TABLE>

the MFactory closed gear ratio set will definitely cure your RPM drop problem. Is this a daily driver?
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2008 | 11:31 AM
  #11  
Drag_S14's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 307
Likes: 1
From: Shelbyville, KY, USA
Default

If the dyno graph is clean and smooth, just because it's not in VTEC doesn't mean it's not making power. It sounds like you need to re-evaluate your setup though. 1800 RPM from VTEC to limiter seems kinda pointless when those cams will pull much higher...
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2008 | 11:57 AM
  #12  
DJsilkyjr's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 449
Likes: 0
From: Springfield, VA
Default

who tuned it? theirs no reason vtec should be that high.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2008 | 03:46 PM
  #13  
FastEg6's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 481
Likes: 0
From: KS
Default

^^ Totally agree with you, Vtec that high is just insanely pointless.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2008 | 06:24 PM
  #14  
93turbo16's Avatar
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 9,743
Likes: 3
From: Carlisle, Pa, USA
Default Re: (DJsilkyjr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJsilkyjr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">who tuned it? theirs no reason vtec should be that high.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I am pretty sure I tuned this car. I have all of the graphs of the car. I do believe I started with vtec around 5800 and the car did not want anything to do with it. So it was moved up.

I will go back over the graphs and my logs to see if there is something I missed. This was the first car to be tuned on the new dyno. Now I have a much much better hang of the dyna pack, I wouldn't mind seeing the car again.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2008 | 07:46 PM
  #15  
killerpenguin21's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,370
Likes: 8
From: where cars dont get stolen, NY
Default Re: (93turbo16)

yeah the dip when vtec was below 6 was rediculous and then when you moved it up it made a perfectly straight line. trust me the car doesnt need vtec to make power, and infact if i wind out first the tires light up when i x-over. im more than happy with the tune, and it was my decision to put the limiter below 9.

this is how i wanted the motor, i didnt need it to be squeezing everything to the limit, i actually drive the car, and would like it to last a while. now im looking to optimize the rest of the parts to make it all one great package.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
midnitesol
Tech / Misc
1
May 12, 2006 08:32 PM
UberTeg
Forced Induction
31
Feb 14, 2005 12:10 PM
streetlvlhatch
Drag Racing
8
Apr 17, 2004 02:57 PM
Memo6453
Honda Prelude
18
Feb 11, 2003 11:25 AM
2k1TypeR0610
Acura Integra Type-R
16
Nov 9, 2001 09:11 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:59 AM.