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32 levels of dampening, IMHO that is not needed and a waste.
But they are pretty, cause I like red things

 

they look nice how much did you pay for them?


: <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">32 levels of dampening, IMHO that is not needed and a waste.
But they are pretty, cause I like red things </TD></TR></TABLE> lol im the same way with my mugen rails on the s1's

 

mine came with a brake line bracket, pm pworld and let him know.

 

Damn you could only afford the Integra Type? no R? lol look good though

 

What is the price ?

 

$1150 from optionJDM.com I knew somebody was gonna to notice my missing R sticker.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">32 levels of dampening, IMHO that is not needed and a waste.
But they are pretty, cause I like red things </TD></TR></TABLE>

It just means it "clicks" 32 times. If they remove the tiny piece of metal that does the makes the noise/feel , the coilovers would theroretically have an infinite number of settings. My old koni yellows never clicked...., the clicks just help you redial in your previous settings, if you change them.

It goes back to the digital vs analog. Read a digital clock, it says 3:45, read an analog clock, it could be 3 hours and .7541232 hour

 

So what that company is saying by having 32 levels of adjustability is that when they do a shock dyno it will have 32 different lines like this chart?
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2116/sdfi9.jpg

 

PICs FTW

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what that company is saying by having 32 levels of adjustability is that when they do a shock dyno it will have 32 different lines like this chart?
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2116/sdfi9.jpg
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32 way adjustable... divide that by 8... and you might get 4 lines. So basically every 8 clicks softens or stiffens 1 level.

I always and continually wonder why it's so hard to make a damper 4 to 6 way adjustable instead of 32 or 48..or eleventyOMG!!

 

i just wonder if the bound adjustment range is narrow like Tein or JICs

 

these look like they probably come from the same factory in taiwan that makes D2, K-sport, Megan, and so many others.

i'm not trying to knock anybody here...but i learned my lesson a long time ago. its very simple: buy shocks from companies that make shocks and buy springs from companies that make springs.

if you buy a product from someone that SPECIALIZES in that particular area, then you are reaping the benefits of years of R&D. so many of these new "JDM" products are cookie-cutter parts that are just re-badged with different brand names on them. companies like mugen and spoon do not actually make their own shocks, but rather source them from companies like Showa who specialize in damper technology. i'm not sure where they source their springs from, but i'd be willing to guess its a company that specializes in springs. see what i'm getting at? when you buy these random *** "JDM" parts, you never really KNOW what youre getting.

just my .02

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JOHN WAYNE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">these look like they probably come from the same factory in taiwan that makes D2, K-sport, Megan, and so many others.

i'm not trying to knock anybody here...but i learned my lesson a long time ago. its very simple: buy shocks from companies that make shocks and buy springs from companies that make springs.

if you buy a product from someone that SPECIALIZES in that particular area, then you are reaping the benefits of years of R&D. so many of these new "JDM" products are cookie-cutter parts that are just re-badged with different brand names on them. companies like mugen and spoon do not actually make their own shocks, but rather source them from companies like Showa who specialize in damper technology. i'm not sure where they source their springs from, but i'd be willing to guess its a company that specializes in springs. see what i'm getting at? when you buy these random *** "JDM" parts, you never really KNOW what youre getting.

just my .02

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"popular ***" coilover right there.

What JOHN WAYNE said is right on. of those 32 clicks you'll maybe get 3-4 changes and I'll bet you they are random as hell.

 

^ Probably true, but for the average street driver/weekend warrior, they will do just fine.

 

There good enough for the chick I f*ck lol

 

What kind of bolt are you using in the rear LCA? If it isn't OEM, go out and get one ASAP.

Not trying to knock your new purchase, but you would have been better off with Koni yellows and ground controls. Price would have been cheaper too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What kind of bolt are you using in the rear LCA? If it isn't OEM, go out and get one ASAP.

Not trying to knock your new purchase, but you would have been better off with Koni yellows and ground controls. Price would have been cheaper too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ditto on the bolt.... but if you've never used these particular coil-overs how could you give that opinion? i personally have gc/koni setup and love it but their are other setups out there that work good for the average person

 

The lower shock bolt was seized so I had to torch/cut it. it was on the week end too so Honda wasn't open. so I threw that one in till monday.. I had koni yellow and ground coil in my VW GTI . In my opinion these are a far better setup... thanks for the input tho

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JOHN WAYNE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">these look like they probably come from the same factory in taiwan that makes D2, K-sport, Megan, and so many others.

i'm not trying to knock anybody here...but i learned my lesson a long time ago. its very simple: buy shocks from companies that make shocks and buy springs from companies that make springs.

if you buy a product from someone that SPECIALIZES in that particular area, then you are reaping the benefits of years of R&D. so many of these new "JDM" products are cookie-cutter parts that are just re-badged with different brand names on them. companies like mugen and spoon do not actually make their own shocks, but rather source them from companies like Showa who specialize in damper technology. i'm not sure where they source their springs from, but i'd be willing to guess its a company that specializes in springs. see what i'm getting at? when you buy these random *** "JDM" parts, you never really KNOW what youre getting.

just my .02

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This is a very good point. So what about PIC? Do they source out there stuff to companies that focus on that particular product or are the companies developing their own stuff?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by supra360 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The lower shock bolt was seized so I had to torch/cut it. it was on the week end too so Honda wasn't open. so I threw that one in till monday.. I had koni yellow and ground coil in my VW GTI . In my opinion these are a far better setup... thanks for the input tho </TD></TR></TABLE>

VW GTI is strut-based. Completely different.

Koni/Ground Control works so much better on double-wishbone Hondas it isn't funny.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JOHN WAYNE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its very simple: buy shocks from companies that make shocks and buy springs from companies that make springs.
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You've named some names - where do you think those companies buy their shocks from? And where do you think they buy their springs from?

More and more, people are asking questions just for the sake of asking questions. Whether or not the answers they get are meaningful or useful to them doesn't seem to matter, just that they get some sort of answer. If enough people jump on a bandwagon answer, then you end up with a "fact".

Perfect example: shock dynos. "Where is xyz company's shock dyno? I want to see it." On a rare occasion, a shock dyno is posted, and people look at it for a second before realizing they have no idea what it means. Some guess they know what it means, misinterpret it, and come away with some misconceptions and maybe even begin spreading false information.

When do you ever really know where the product you're buying comes from? When does that knowledge become useful to the consumer? When does country/company of manufacture start to affect the quality of the product you buy? How would you, as the consumer, know? Why should you care? If I told everyone that my shocks are made by some old man living in the boonies of Karachi based on some lecture notes he found on the street from someone who attended a Claude Rouelle suspension seminar in 1996, would that change the quality of my products, or how they perform? What if I said that they were made in Germany by a team of retired F1 suspension experts on a limitless budget and that every setup was tested by professional drivers at Nurburgring? At the end of the day, it's still a coilover, and it performs how it performs and you get what you get, no matter who made it and where. The real questions to be asking are the ones who's answers tell you why they are better than a competitor's product, not where they are made and who makes them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You've named some names - where do you think those companies buy their shocks from? And where do you think they buy their springs from?

More and more, people are asking questions just for the sake of asking questions. Whether or not the answers they get are meaningful or useful to them doesn't seem to matter, just that they get some sort of answer. If enough people jump on a bandwagon answer, then you end up with a "fact".

Perfect example: shock dynos. "Where is xyz company's shock dyno? I want to see it." On a rare occasion, a shock dyno is posted, and people look at it for a second before realizing they have no idea what it means. Some guess they know what it means, misinterpret it, and come away with some misconceptions and maybe even begin spreading false information.

When do you ever really know where the product you're buying comes from? When does that knowledge become useful to the consumer? When does country/company of manufacture start to affect the quality of the product you buy? How would you, as the consumer, know? Why should you care? If I told everyone that my shocks are made by some old man living in the boonies of Karachi based on some lecture notes he found on the street from someone who attended a Claude Rouelle suspension seminar in 1996, would that change the quality of my products, or how they perform? What if I said that they were made in Germany by a team of retired F1 suspension experts on a limitless budget and that every setup was tested by professional drivers at Nurburgring? At the end of the day, it's still a coilover, and it performs how it performs and you get what you get, no matter who made it and where. The real questions to be asking are the ones who's answers tell you why they are better than a competitor's product, not where they are made and who makes them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i made a point to NOT mention anything about shock dynos, because youre right, the average person really doesnt understand what they are looking at...and i'm not going to pretend that i know either. i guess what i was getting at was that if you can buy a product from a company that has already established a reputation, you are also buying peace of mind. for me, all that really matters "at the end of the day", is that i have a product that is made by a company who KNOWS their product. i dont need to be the suspension expert, but i damn sure hope that the person who designed my coilover is. and my point about "cookie cutter" products was actually raising a question: what makes these products any different from each other?? they all look the same, offer the same "features", etc. just go take a look at every single aftermarket LCA..its the same damn thing with slightly different casting designs, so what makes one better than the other???

maybe i am just a skeptic, but i dont trust that a company who "jumped on the JDM bandwagon" is going to 1) be experts in their products when they dont have to do their own R&D and 2) provide any type of adequate support for their products.

the point is that i dont need to know where the product ACTUALLY comes from or even what the shock dyno looks like. i just want a product that i know other people (whose opinions i respect) have been satisfied with and a product that can be easily REPLACED when it breaks.

i know that a lot of people in this forum are partial to the PIC products, largely because PIC plays an active role in the community here (which is a very cool thing). they share their knowledge and expertise and offer a type of customer service that goes beyond their competitors. this type of customer support and concern is something valuable and worth paying money for.

 

Can we get some actual ****ing reviews of this product instead of bickering all the damn time? HT has really gone to the toilet lately....

 

Dude...this thread is 2 years old.

And honestly, reviews are only as good/knowlegable as the person doing them. I've seen fantastic reviews of Megan's, and we all know (ok, most of us) those are complete pieces of crap.

If you have eaten nothing but mud your entire life, then a 3-day old mcdonalds hamburger might taste pretty good. It's all in the perspective...