Evrey time I look at a eg,ek,-DC-,da,ap,na, I can see hondas true sports car genes, but ever since the the rsx and the new si's I cant see this performance gene all I see now is shrunken down honda oddesy vans. These stories of suspension setup on the new dc-5 is cheaper to produce than the dc-2, that the new si is slower than its older brother, and that australian rsx-r didn't get the jdm itr motor, makes me think of what would happen if it came over here and I honestley dont think that we would get the brembos. My next car will not be coming from the new honda market.

if any of these statments are wrongfeel free to point me wrong but this post is how you guys feel about where honda is going with their performance market.


[Modified by dc-2R, 2:00 AM 7/12/2002]

 

The new SI is not slower than the previous gen SI. How about 30 more pds of torque and peaks HP and torque much lower, Ive been in one and it more smoother and you can feel the torque difference as well. The RSX is not a waste neither, there a few around here in NJ pulling 14.4-14.2 with bolt ons. However the I in IVTEC is the bottle neck of these cars, tuners are saying that once you disable the I and have better mapped ECU, these cars are going rip and they already respond nicely to mods


[Modified by SuperTech, 2:34 AM 7/12/2002]

 

Yeah *I* for intelligently figureing out how to undo all of your tuning work....Just like the damn OBDII

 

the theory went down the drain like in F-1 now. Honda Spirit dies with S. Honda and buyout Mugen. Just sell mass production to make profit, no more individuals identities.
Toyota thinking!


[Modified by machgo5go, 9:47 PM 7/11/2002]

 

i totaly agree with you, i think that honda realizes the r badge sells and econo grocery getters will rule the earth.

 

Best Motoring was heaping praise on the Honda Odyssey as much more fun to drive and having a much better suspension setup than its Toyota competition, so the Odyssey might not be such a bad minivan. And have you guys seen the BM test of the final prototype of the new NSX-R at Suzuka? Damn, that thing is super sweet. Carbon fiber hood, rear wing; completely retuned suspension (suspension that takes skill to drive to its potential, according to Tsuchiya); rear diffuser. It is a substantial improvment over the original NSX-R and the newer S-Zero. And then the S2000 is not a bad car either, and embodies Honda's sports heritage. When you see inexperienced S2000 pilots spinning and crashing their S2Ks the first time they go on the track, you start to see why a company would shy away from building cars that require a bit of skill to drive. So you have to respect what they did (although the U.S. suspension is supposed to be actually slightly dumbed down from the more oversteery JDM suspension setup).

I don't think Honda has lost its way, but they have been a bit too conservative outside of Japan. We all need to convince them we can handle the red Brembos, big functional wings (and we mustn't whine about rear vision), and intense engines of the latest Type Rs.

 

I agree, I think Honda is in some cases doing the opposite of what its customers want. Their sports cars aren't as competitive as they used to be, and the overall standards are going up while Honda's are pretty much staying in the same place, the RSX for example isn't exactly what everyone hoped and dreamed it would be. Infact the new integra (rsx) is a disappointment to many 3rd gen integra owners, seeing as its supposed to be alot better and faster, since its the NEWER generation of the integra. I for one don't think its that bad, but its physical design's don't grab my attention like the 3rd gen integra did when it first came out, also it hasn't really moved up, it seems to have stayed in the same place performance wise.

 

Didnt the RSX-S just easily win some magazine test that pitted it against the Celica GT-S, Mitsu Eclipse, VW GTi, Hyundai Tiburon, etc? Thats its competition, so I guess you could say the RSX-S is a definite improvement over the previous GS-R model. The GS-R would finish mid pack, at best, in that comparison. I test drove an RSX and an RSX-S and both are very cool cars. They arent going to be 1/4 mile monsters, but thats not important to everybody anyways.

If we get the RSX-R, I'm sure it will be a match for the WRX. Hell, the Integra Type R is right there with the WRX. The RSX-R should be even better.

 

some of you guys have one tracked minds. Honda has not began to sway away from performance, The RSX-S is easily the best car in its class, except for the WRX, racers and performance enthusists are a very small percentage of Honda's sales. They want to please the people who buy cars for everyday driving. And they do reach out to the performance community. Just be Patient, in sure within the next year or so we will see The RSX-R, and the new TSX which you can see pics of at VTEC.net. My dealer Brunswick Acura in NJ, the head sales rep, said they are damn sure that there getting it(RSX-R). Same motor as the JDM ITR 220hp. The motor will be not detuned as the ITR motor can easily pass emissions testing in t he USA.


[Modified by SuperTech, 6:26 PM 7/12/2002]


[Modified by SuperTech, 6:26 PM 7/12/2002]

 

keep this in mind... the RSX-S is a DETUNED version of the Type R, as is the RSX. The new integra was built to be an Integra Type R, the previous was built as an econocar, then later came the Type R.

 

The new SI Slow and heavy and ugly
And I would put my money on a 2000 SI,it only has 20 less ftlbs of tq,and its in a lighter body.
RSX=

 

The new SI once broken in will run the 1/4 a little faster, .4 of a litre and torque make all the difference

 

as said previously, the new Si is as fast as the old one, if not faster. performance-wise its not too bad... reliability is where I have to doubt honda. You dont know how many people I have heard of with an RSX-S breaking down.

 

i honestley dont think we will get 220 hp becuase australia didnt even get it.(i think) man fawk a rsx i hate them and when/if it comes ove here its going to feel more like a replacement for the 3rd gen.


think about it this way if the rsx r comes over hybriders will start to steal that instead of c5s, i feel like a bitch saying that.


i'm a bitch

 

between the switch to mcphearson struts, escelating prices and weight, and terrible styling, I've already decided my next car is not going to be a honda. If I'm going to get a heavyer, more expensive car, I might as well get a BMW.

 

I'm not trying to say the rsx is a terible car, its just not as great of a car as expected, I really can't stand how america gets jacked on performance cars, when america has one of the highest number of buyers if not the most for these cars. We are basically Japan's biggest buyer. Look at AUS, they got the better dc2R, and now their probably going to end up having the better DC5, see if we even get the freakin DC5R, and if we do its probably going to be detuned, meaning no brembo's, no recaros (ie the aus dc2r!), watered down engine , etc...
I love honda its just the direction their going in isn't exactly the best in my point of view.


[Modified by shirubia, 9:50 PM 7/12/2002]


[Modified by shirubia, 9:51 PM 7/12/2002]

 

All you have to do is look at Honda's sales figures. They are up across the board. The Pilot/MDX/Oddessy is a Honda gold mine. If you want Honda to stay independent they have to make cars for the average driver. I personally do not want Honda to merge with GM or any other big company. Merges:


[Modified by HONDAF1, 4:32 PM 7/12/2002]