my current alignment setting is 3.5 degrees camber front with 1/16 toe out in front and 1.5 degrees camber 1/16 toe in in the rear
my problem is only at high speed it feels kinda darty and im forced to back off
SO is something wrong with my setting or is it road condition or is this how race alignment is and im just being a huge vajayjay? thanks for the help

 

Oh yeah of course there's something wrong with it. You have the exact sythoms of too much toe out. Unless you're doing low speed autocross that toe setting is nuts.
Put 0 toe in the rear and 0 in the front or slight 1/16-1/8ths toe in in front. Will now be stable at high speeds.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marsvolta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my current alignment setting is 3.5 degrees camber front with 1/16 toe out in front and 1.5 degrees camber 1/16 toe in in the rear
my problem is only at high speed it feels kinda darty and im forced to back off
SO is something wrong with my setting or is it road condition or is this how race alignment is and im just being a huge vajayjay? thanks for the help</TD></TR></TABLE>

I ran more toe out front and 0 toe in rear for a long time on the street with no issues.

When you say "my problem is only at high speed it feels kinda darty and im forced to back off", what exactly do you mean? Can you give an example?

 

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I ran more toe out front and 0 toe in rear for a long time on the street with no issues.

When you say "my problem is only at high speed it feels kinda darty and im forced to back off", what exactly do you mean? Can you give an example?</TD></TR></TABLE>

+1

I ran 1/8" rear toe out on my STS car for quite a while and 1/4" toe out on my DS car. That'll make it darty.. 1/16"? Hardly!

 

how bad tire wear did you get with 1/4 out? Was this for auto-x or HPDE?

 

unstable like maybe the grooves in the road are pulling the car too one way or the other . could it be a lack of down force or too small of a contact patch?


thanks

 

crown of the road? where are you driving? more info please....

 

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On a street, going straight, your car feels darty at high speeds? You're worried about downforce and contact patch?

Toe and caster will affect how your car feels getting pulled one way or another. Try playing with a little toe in in the front if you're not comfortable. But you're not describing the problem very well and seems like maybe you're just driving too fast.

 

its your front toe. 0 or in for higher speed stuff.

 

I know exactly what he's talking about, some freeways have lines cut into them. Soft directional tires will make your car want to move with the grooves. It's not your suspension set up...

 

I am running 1.8 camber 1/16 toe out in front. and 1.5 camber 0 toe in the rear. Just to note its a daily driven car with a couple of track days a month as you can see in the mild camber settings. When i first got my car aligned to my specs it felt darty at around 70-75 mph on the freeway... took a bit getting used to and it was fine. Your running too much toe out in the rear and its causing your car to twitch all over the place and want to turn left and right. Try 0 toe rear.

 

im sorry i cant discribe it very well. the thing is i just learned how to do my own alignment and im trying some race settings or track settings on my street/track
i guess ill keep playing with it some more but i know i dont want 0 toe in front because im pretty sure that no one has 0 toe on their race car i just want to know how it feels like to run toe out in front and tons of negative camber. when i say feels like i mean improvements in cornering compared to a street setting

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marsvolta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im sorry i cant discribe it very well. the thing is i just learned how to do my own alignment and im trying some race settings or track settings on my street/track
i guess ill keep playing with it some more but i know i dont want 0 toe in front because im pretty sure that no one has 0 toe on their race car i just want to know how it feels like to run toe out in front and tons of negative camber. when i say feels like i mean improvements in cornering compared to a street setting </TD></TR></TABLE>

The bolded text is unreadable as to what you mean. If you really want help, you should reread what you've typed to make sure it makes sense.

Many racecars are set up with zero rear toe. Some are set up with a little toe-in and very few are set up with toe-out in the rear. The proper alignment will depend on type of driving (road race, autocross, daily driver), driver preference, and many other factors too numerous to mention.

When you say you've just learned to do the alignment on your car, have you have what you thought was a certain alignment checked by an experienced alignment shop or experienced person who could verify your work. Aligning a car properly can be tricky for someone who hasn't done it before and it's usually a good idea to have your first couple of alignments checked out just to be sure.

 

well the car natrualy tracks strait. i would think thats all conformation i need.
but i guess it wouldnt be a bad idea to put it on a alignment rack...........

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marsvolta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well the car natrualy tracks strait. i would think thats all conformation i need.
but i guess it wouldnt be a bad idea to put it on a alignment rack...........</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tracking straight has to do with the left and right side toe settings being equal for front wheel pair and also, the toe settings right and left being equal for the rear wheel pair. Also, if the camber were different left to right, something called camber thrust can give an unbalanced side force causing the car to move slightly off the desired direction of travel and would require some steering input to keep the car going straight ahead.

Oh, and I believe you were the one asking for help and those of us who know what potential problems could possibly be occuring with your car are responding. To solve problems, you need to make sure the basics (like a baseline alignment where you are sure of the alignment settings) are all accounted for before resorting to more complicated reasons. You will find that most of the time with new drivers/mechanics, the problems in handling and other car issues usually can be traced to simple causes (and fixes). This is why I mentioned making sure the alignment settings were correct.