I want to install a sytem in my ek, but can not figure out how to get the driver side trim panel for my rca's and remote wire. i don't want to break anything like clips or anything and it's cold as hell to take my time looking for ebery little clip. Just wondering if anyone knew off th ebat where I needed to look for clips and screws to make this a squick and warm as possible. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

If you havent figured it out yet, you have to take the back seats out completely. If i can recall there is a screw at the bottom towards the bottom of the panel. To make your life simpler, just pull the bottom of the seat out and tuck the wire under the carpet the best you can abd pull the panel back at the bottom and tuck the wire behind the panel and run the rca's and remote under the bottom of the seat and out the back of the top. That is the simplest suggestion.

 

cool. sounds simple enough. Thanks

 

Simple but wrong, first, the drivers side of the car is the power side, all power leads running to the rear of the car are on the drivers side and running RCAs along power leads for that distance can cause "induced noise", the RCAs should be run up the center of the car, under console or right next to it.
The easiest way to run wiring in your car is to remove the back seat, [bottom], it's held in with one 10MM bolt, just off center on drivers side between seat bottom and seat back, it then folds forwards to "unhook" the front, remove the pass. front seat, remove kick panel trim and rocker panel trim/sill trim, you can now fold the carpet over the console, making it easy to run the RCAs, amp control lead and speaker leads, [if used] along the center of car, taping them down flat with good duct tape will keep them from moving around.
As nobody normally sits in the center of the back seat it is best to run the RCAs, amp control lead, and speaker wires, [if used] under the center of the seat, also taped down flat with duct tape.
At the same time you can run the power wire along the pass. side of the car, easily slipped under the rear side trim all the way to the rear of the car.

Running the leads this way will also keep them all as short as possible, a good thing. 94

 

good looking out. that looks like the way 2 go 4 sure. thanks

 

how did you come up with that logic. I run the power wires and the rca's on the same side of the vehicle on a daily basis and never have any of these so called noise problems. If you are having noise problems by running power wires and rca's together then your using cheap ****.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jdmej2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how did you come up with that logic.</TD></TR></TABLE> How about over 30 years of installing car audio.
I did not say you would have noise, I said "can cause".

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jdmej2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I run the power wires and the rca's on the same side of the vehicle on a daily basis </TD></TR></TABLE> Nothing to be proud of, just says your a lousy "punch out" installer. 94

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jdmej2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how did you come up with that logic. I run the power wires and the rca's on the same side of the vehicle on a daily basis and never have any of these so called noise problems. If you are having noise problems by running power wires and rca's together then your using cheap ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>


LO F'ing L!!!

Classic stuff right there.

Cheap ****!



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I was told by a fellow installer (who's been installing for 10-15years) that induced noise generally only occurred above 300hz, so if he's just doing a sub amp, this shouldn't be necessary.

At work, if I'm just doing a sub amp, I generally run rca's, power, and remote together. Best buy doesn't charge enough to run things on separate sides and/or allot enough time (for 2 channel amps anyways)

I have yet to have a problem, though maybe I'm just lucky

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> How about over 30 years of installing car audio.
I did not say you would have noise, I said "can cause".

Nothing to be proud of, just says your a lousy "punch out" installer. 94</TD></TR></TABLE>


I did hear something about that in the past.

 

Your fellow installer is probably correct, however one of the problems with induced noise is it is induced into the RCAs shield wiring, commonly used as the signal return, [ground] and that is connected to the HU which is running full-range or possibly high-pass so you do not hear the noise on the sub, you hear it on the full-range/high-pass speakers.

As I said it can be a source of noise, but not necessarily.

I have also run RCAs and amp power and control leads down the same side of the car, many times, but never RCAs down the power side of the car, and without any noise, but every once in a while you run into a noise problem and moving the RCAs, [in many cases] has solved the noise problem.
If someone comes in with a noise problem the first thing we do is move the RCAs to the center of the car, often times using shorter RCA leads, [also an advantage in running the RCAs down the center of the car]

We charge 2hr of labour to install an amp, it makes no diff. how many channels, this is for a "basic" amp install, that is more then enough time to pull the pass. seat and rear seat in just about any car to run leads to the rear trunk/hatch, running the RCAs down the center of the car at this point is as simple as lifting the carpet and folding it over the console.
We run RCAs down the center, [or just off center] on all cars now, just to avoid any possibility of induced noise because RCAs are run with power leads, it must work as we have not had a problem with induced noise since it became policy, and that is with whatever type/brand/quality of RCAs the customer has/gets, including dirt cheap 75% shield interconnect.

I guess I could have been more "politically correct", instead of calling 95jdmej2
a punch out installer, I could have said he works at a punch out shop.

We do a fair amount of business getting rid of noise of one kind or another or some other kind of problem for customers that had the installs done at some other shop, [or their buddy] problem is almost always because of poor workmanship or install practices and I understand that shops like BB and FS do not charge enough for their installs forcing installers to punch things out, that's to bad for the customer, but then again, the customer gets what he pays for.
Sometimes that customer has to come to our shop to fix the problem, kind or a pay me now or pay me later thing.

I truly understand your frustration, I have the luxury of working in a auto A/C shop, with an owner who could care less what the other shops charge and allows me to set the install rates for car audio/security/video, and as we are not a car audio shop although we do carry remote starts and security, not a lot of A/C business in the winter other then the body shops, if a customer does not like a labour estimate he sends them on their way, his favorite line is, when a customer says so and so will do it for this much, "that's a good price, you should go there" 94

 

i am going to say that i agree with everybody. Everybody has there own ideas with what works best from what they have experienced. I will say that fcm is probably right within his own experience. I appreciate fcm retracting his statement about being a half *** installer, because i take very much pride in my work and get much satisfaction from the customer when they pick up there vehicle. Even though the shop i work at is far from halfass since the owner has took many first place trophies in the db drags and has competed with many of famous people (like gary biggs) every body does things different. So in regards in how to wire your car, do it however you want.