Turboed car with "NA" behaviour?
Well we all know that turbo gives easy hp and better torque, but I don't like turbo lag and huge hp amount that makes a car very difficult to handle into curves; so I'm wondering if it's possible to keep a NA character on a B18 or a K20 using a small turbo and only 0.2 or 0.5 bar and yet gain some interesting torque and something like 50hp
It would be pointless, you could match the performance of a 50whp boosted gain, with 25whp all motor increase.
Say, a stock Type-R puts down 170whp. A 220whp boosted Type-R, isn't even worth boosting. With a nice intake/header/exhaust combination, with valvework, and a good tune, the car could make 190-195whp all motor, on an otherwise stock setup, and match/beat the performance of the 220whp boosted setup. Granted, high quality bolt ons, are not cheap. Figure $1,000+ for the header, $400-$1,000+ for the exhaust, anywhere from $125-$900 for the intake, $300 for the valvework after having the head pulled/pulling the head, and which ever tuning option you choose (Which would have to be done if you went the turbo route anyway).
All motor tends to on the more expensive side, but it all comes down to personal preference. I'd rather have natural power, there are less things to go wrong.
Keep things as simple as you can when trying to reach goals for your car.
Say, a stock Type-R puts down 170whp. A 220whp boosted Type-R, isn't even worth boosting. With a nice intake/header/exhaust combination, with valvework, and a good tune, the car could make 190-195whp all motor, on an otherwise stock setup, and match/beat the performance of the 220whp boosted setup. Granted, high quality bolt ons, are not cheap. Figure $1,000+ for the header, $400-$1,000+ for the exhaust, anywhere from $125-$900 for the intake, $300 for the valvework after having the head pulled/pulling the head, and which ever tuning option you choose (Which would have to be done if you went the turbo route anyway).
All motor tends to on the more expensive side, but it all comes down to personal preference. I'd rather have natural power, there are less things to go wrong.
Keep things as simple as you can when trying to reach goals for your car.
I've forgotten to say "50 hp<U> in addition </U>to what can be won through an all motor upgrade". With the example of GO-FIGHT-KILL that would be 190-195 whp all motor hp PLUS a small turbo setup to reach 245-250 whp
JJUUN R: indeed I'm lost, otherwise I wouldn't ask the question
I don't know anything to mechanics lol...
JJUUN R: indeed I'm lost, otherwise I wouldn't ask the question
I don't know anything to mechanics lol...
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From what I know of superchargers, I think you're right
From what I know of superchargers, I think you're right
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Parada »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">who makes a $900 intake???? thats insane, it better be made of pure, uncut vtech for that price.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Mugen does. It costs about $715 + shipping + tax (depends where you buy it) so total could add up to $800+.
Mugen does. It costs about $715 + shipping + tax (depends where you buy it) so total could add up to $800+.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ontheroad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've forgotten to say "50 hp<U> in addition </U>to what can be won through an all motor upgrade". With the example of GO-FIGHT-KILL that would be 190-195 whp all motor hp PLUS a small turbo setup to reach 245-250 whp
JJUUN R: indeed I'm lost, otherwise I wouldn't ask the question
I don't know anything to mechanics lol...</TD></TR></TABLE>
That line of thought is very flawed. The all motor setup made the extra 25whp, because of the bolt ons, and partly to the valvework... You take away the bolt ons for a turbo, and you're right back where you started, working from 170whp or so.
250whp boosted is the LOWEST level of power I would consider generating out of a boosted B-Series, especially a Type-R. It's plenty to have fun with, but you will get the itch, and when you start cranking up the boost, retuning, trying to go faster, and stretching your engine's structural integrity thinner, is when you start to break ****.
JJUUN R: indeed I'm lost, otherwise I wouldn't ask the question
I don't know anything to mechanics lol...</TD></TR></TABLE>That line of thought is very flawed. The all motor setup made the extra 25whp, because of the bolt ons, and partly to the valvework... You take away the bolt ons for a turbo, and you're right back where you started, working from 170whp or so.
250whp boosted is the LOWEST level of power I would consider generating out of a boosted B-Series, especially a Type-R. It's plenty to have fun with, but you will get the itch, and when you start cranking up the boost, retuning, trying to go faster, and stretching your engine's structural integrity thinner, is when you start to break ****.
yeah, mugen was the only intake that came to mind, i was thinkin he meant 900+tax, im thinkin' holy ****, that turns out to be like an 1100 dollar tube bolted to an intake mani.
now im wondering how long you guys had to stand on the corner and sell *** to get your mugen intakes. crazy bastards. wish i could afford one.
now im wondering how long you guys had to stand on the corner and sell *** to get your mugen intakes. crazy bastards. wish i could afford one.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Parada »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">holy ****, that turns out to be like an 1100 dollar tube bolted to an intake mani.
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actualy 1100 dollars doesnt include the tube
700-1100 buys you the thing that connects to the plastic tube that connects to the tb that connects to the im that connects to the head that connects to the motor that connects to the clutch that connects to the transmission that connects to the drive shafts that connects to the brake hubs that connects to the lugs that connects to your sweet type r rims
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actualy 1100 dollars doesnt include the tube
700-1100 buys you the thing that connects to the plastic tube that connects to the tb that connects to the im that connects to the head that connects to the motor that connects to the clutch that connects to the transmission that connects to the drive shafts that connects to the brake hubs that connects to the lugs that connects to your sweet type r rims
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 187Chor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">heres an idea slap a turbo onto ur intake</TD></TR></TABLE>
... Yeeeeaaaaah...
... Yeeeeaaaaah...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GO-FIGHT-KILL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can piece together an intake system that performs nears as well as the Mugen piece.</TD></TR></TABLE>
but then it's missing the most important part!!!!
but then it's missing the most important part!!!!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ontheroad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well we all know that turbo gives easy hp and better torque, but I don't like turbo lag and huge hp amount that makes a car very difficult to handle into curves; so I'm wondering if it's possible to keep a NA character on a B18 or a K20 using a small turbo and only 0.2 or 0.5 bar and yet gain some interesting torque and something like 50hp
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yes.
well...it's not cheap, but yes.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1665480
</TD></TR></TABLE>yes.
well...it's not cheap, but yes.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1665480



