Ok so when i did my b16 swap i bought an ETD racing traction bar made in canada. I installed it and since it has the Heim joints its quit noisy!! It creaks and squeaks all the time and yes i tighten everything. I was looking at the innovative crossmember that uses the stock radius rods.

Was thinking this has to reduce the noise level. Also noticed innovative offers the b16 front tranny mount option which should reduce vibrations i think????

Any input would help, Thinking to sell the ETD and get something thats Daily drivable! Is there something better than the innovative?? Looking for answers from those who have some of these bars on there cars or had them on there please




Modified by alscrx at 2:11 PM 11/20/2007

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1156671

 

Yeah i read that awhile ago but jimfab is no longer made. Doesn't poll on the innovative or etd. Useless in my case but thanks

 

So you think the ESP bar would make noise as well. Sorry I don't have one on but I want to know as well. Good luck.

 

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Was thinking this has to reduce the noise level. Also noticed innovative offers the b16 front tranny mount option which should reduce vibrations i think????

Any input would help, Thinking to sell the ETD and get something thats Daily drivable! Is there something better than the innovative?? Looking for answers from those who have some of these bars on there cars or had them on there please

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The ETD uses Heim joints. Not hemi.
The ETD is a traction bar. (to eliminate wheel hop)
The Innovative is a crossmember. (to add clearance for a motor swap)


I would assume the Innovative is a stock replacement bar that wouldn't squeak. but I wouldn't expect to hook up as well as the ETD when launching your car. but you should have a better setup than stock when adding their upgraded bushings.


<FONT SIZE="3">Replacement front crossmember. Designed to give more front clearance for an 88-91 civic or CRX. Clears all factory and aftermarket headers. Factory radiator may be used or 92-00 Civic half size radiator. Add Innovative Mounts radius rod bushing kit to transform into a traction control kit. Now Features a front mount point for 4 mount applications. Add optional front mount for hi-torque engines. Front mounts are available for B series engines or D series engines.</FONT>

 

Well a traction bar eliminates wheel hop but has to serve as a crossmember since you removed your factory one. I have no wheel hop at all now but i don't race at the track.

So how does innovative's bushings make there crossmember act like a traction bar?? Are they just real stiff??

Will that extra mount make the car vibrate less???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alscrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well a traction bar eliminates wheel hop but has to serve as a crossmember since you removed your factory one. I have no wheel hop at all now but i don't race at the track.
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traction bar can be a crossmember
but
a crossmember isn't necessarily a traction bar


Modified by IT GUY at 3:59 PM 11/20/2007

 

True,lol, since a crossmember really can't eliminate wheel hop on its own.
I just want something with no noise problems and clears my jdm header.
I would rather not use heim joints for daily driver. Dirt, snow, and salt will kill them anyway!

 

Basically, the ETD is a replacement crossmember that uses heim joints at the ends of the radius rods. This prevents the fore/aft movement which is supposed to eliminate wheel hop.

The Innovative is also a repalcement crossmember that uses stock radius rods but with (optional) stiff bushings. This also helps with wheel hop, but since it is a poly bushing, there is still a small amount of play, which may equate to some hop, i guess.

If you stand back and look at them, though, all the difference is how the crossmember is attached to the lower control arms. Not much else.


EDIT: And just to warn, adding the front mount apparently adds to the vibrations, not take away like you were hoping.

 

Well if that mount is useless there is no point in getting it. Think i will spend the money elsewhere.

Its weird cause everyone swears by the full race bar and it also uses heim joints. but they say they have 0 noise. How could that be when ETD uses the same joints with tons of noise??

 

well, as i stated in the other thread, my etd bar makes no noise whatsoever. can you take a pic of how you have it installed? also, they came out with new heim joints with inserts inside, im not sure if they'll make a big diffrence but maybe if you contact them, the'yll be able to upgrade you with the new joints.

 

I'll get some pics for you tomorro when its not raining

 

hey i was wondering what gen bar do you have?

 

i have a etd bar and i dont really like it the mounting holes dont exactly line up well under the car. the gen 3 bars are thick but if your car is lowered your crank pulley cuts a grove in it and rubs in any moderate to heavy cornering. i am only dropped 2.25 on lowering springs i am going to get another innovative one this week and just upgrade the bushings and the clearance on the etd sucks it barely clear my 2.5 inch down pipe and now i am getting a 3 inch and it has to go and alscrx is right it does squeek like hell

 

i run the same one ETD my does mak nose too n i think it very nosiy n they say it well clear the header but it doesnt im run b18 wit 421 header n i hav to hammer my header in lillte bit to able to fit

 

Hey quis84, my brother loves his skunk2 exhaust! Thanks again man

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I had to enlong one side to make it fit. Mine is the latest generation and is the "race" bar. Supposed to be chromoly as opposed to their "street"
I mean its just not meant for quiet and comfort and daily driver is out of the question if you ask me. Also i noticed you have to adjust those rods perfect or your wheel won't be centered in the wheel well!!

 

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Really?? I have the oem jdm b16 header and its fine. I have a jdm 5zigen header i wanna install maybe soon but now i wonder if it will hit...i am gonna post pics but as of right now it looks like i have alot of room down there. Well see i guess...

Post up some pics people of your ETD header clearance and ground clearance

 

 

WOW that is close.....let me get some pic up

 

i know but they came out the 3gen that bolt to stock hole n to tow hook i think that will gav u 8" of clearance vs about 3" of stock setup im plan get different one probaly FULL-RACE lolz

 

how is ground clearance with that ETD bar? right now i'm using a avid traction bar and I'm scraping everything thats on the ground.

 

dam bro tim for new setup lolz i sell u my cuhz my doesnt scratch at all befor i bought the avid traction too n i put on see wat the clearance but it hit my header n then i sold it n i buy the etd bar but it same **** n now im think get different set up does ur hit the header? and avid bar mak by canada ppl too

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2167278

you can see the clearance I have in that thread

 

dem that hang low as F**K that bar gav u alot room tho cuhz my when i order on ebay it bolt on stock hole but ur look like it bolt on tow hook probaly my fake avid bar that y didt gav me clearance

 

I'm running ETD traction bars on my turbo CRX with no noise problems and no clearance issues at all lowered 2.5"

Well worth the price I payed for them.