*Newbie question*
are upper and lower strut bars as effective as a lower sway bar.
I am on a tight budget right now and i have a 94 CX.
I was just wondering if it is worth it to get GS-R LCA's and a sway bar...

TIA

 

completely different, not even comparable. sounds like getting a sway bar is unnecessary for you at this point since you dont know what it does.

 

thanks for your input tyson. see you in Hunters Point.

 

Strut bars should be one of the last things you do to a car. Sway bars, especially a large rear bar, will make a dramatic difference in how a car handles. Strut bars.... will not. Do a search for more info. I've got a stock suspension in my 90 integra except for a 19mm rear sway bar and it's reduced understeer a lot. It still pushes a bit, but I'll fix that with springs when the time comes.

-Chris

 

if you're on a budget, you should get some sway bars first over strut braces or tie bars. the biggest improvement to be had from the three is the sway bar. drastic improvement. many people claim that strut braces and tie bars do not help--i sincerely beg to differ.

 

thanks for the good input.

 

Sway bars will make the biggest diff. Strut Bars and Tie Bars will help but will not make nearly as big of a change to you handleing as the sways.

 

you have 2011 posts and are still a newbie?

 

shows whats talked about outside of this forum.

 

I am not new to Honda-Tech. I am new to this "Road Racing/Autocross" forum.

and Tyson says
well thanks for clearing that up and thanks for explaining what it does.
thanks for your positive remarks. I was asking for help and all you could do is make smart *** remarks.
For your information I am not a post *****. I have asked for help, and have offered help to people with questions that I can answer.

and Thank You to those that did answer my question.




[Modified by B_Cruz, 8:32 AM 6/26/2002]

 

Perhaps these folks just have a small ***** and feel the need to take it out on the world.

It isn't just this forum, though. However, I do think that it draws enough marginal motorsports competitors who aren't all that good and lack confidence, such that they feel they must jump on the new guy who doesn't yet know the secret handshake. ****'em.

Those who are good have nothing to fear from a newbie and feel gratified that they can share useful tips, and that goes for any endeavor.

 

i didnt mean it as a smartass remark. its a frank and honest reply that answers your question. the point is simple, you asked whats better for you, however the question itself shows you dont know what either component does. i dont believe in getting a performance item that you dont know what it does and affects your car. for example, someone asks "should i get coilovers?", well "No", not because theres no benefit of coilovers, but the person will get no benefit from coilovers since the person doesnt know for himself what and why he needs something and needs others to tell him. I am not going to explain sway bars, just do a google search, theres plenty of info out there. The better information is in books, I can recommend a few.

now that was a smartass remark. i stayed away from HT because i initially read the crap in other forums. until i realized the knowledge and persons i can relate to, interested in practical performance and competition, in this board. i dont stray far outside of this forum.

 

that was my question.

here is an excellent answer... take notes Tyson Lee

 

Here, let me show you.






[Modified by Tyson, 11:33 AM 6/26/2002]

 

No, here is an excellent answer: http://www.grmotorsports.com/antirollbars.html

Ironically, it's the first page that came up using Tyson's search.

 

(sigh) And we road racer types wonder why everyone thinks we're a bunch of arrogant SOB's.

The link to the Grassroots Motorsports article is just right in this case, and exactly what Mr. Cruz needs to read.

rant on: However, we already knew about Grassroots Motorsports, and it's likely he didn't. When someone asks a *relevant* question (as in this case), don't "direct" them to the nearest internet search engine or pronounce judgement on their lack of knowledge. Not only is it insulting, it's pretty damn foolish. In case you haven't noticed, every piece of information ever compiled is available somewhere on the internet. Are you saying you have *never* asked a question on Hondatech that could be answered somewhere out there on the information highway? Mr. Cruz came HERE to get the information. We have it. We can give it to him bullsh*t free. So what if it seemed "simple" to us? Just proves that Cruz came to the right place.

 

did he not ask "are upper and lower strut bars as effective as a lower sway bar" and proceed to ask " if it is worth it to get GS-R LCA's and a sway bar"? he got my answer "they are not comparable" and no its "unecessary". why do i feel like i have to defend my answer? other ppl answered it and went on their own opinions. i gave my opinion, which is completely correct to his case. if he wanted to ask why i felt that way, he could have, and then i would have personally enlightened him.


[Modified by Tyson, 2:18 PM 6/26/2002]

 

One comment to add......

If you get a stiff anti-roll bar (sway bar), just be careful that with otherwise stock suspension (springs/shocks) that the mounting points don't tear out. It has been pretty well documented on the 'net that this kind of thing can and does happen, though I for one can't say how these people manage to damage their cars so.

Anyway, I used braces (lots of them) on my del Sol to aid the weakest link in the car's handling, which is the "flimsy" chassis. Now I'm not interested in hearing about how del Sols are slow, heavy, flexy or anything, I'm just saying that this is what I did to help the situation. I was/am on a tight budget, so I couldn't afford to do all I wanted to do.

The braces stiffen up the chassis nicely. Its not like adding a full cage or anything, but I'm talking about a daily(ish) driver. I saved up (read, got a credit line increase ) and got coilovers since I didn't know what height I wanted to run, and liked the customizability of the Progress kit and also liked the quality and "matched set" appeal. I did that, then I installed the ITR anti-roll bar with subframe reinforcement. The ITR bar made the most difference in handling....now its a real pleasure to step the back end out at will, while maintaining control and essentially eliminating the chronic understeer these cars tend to have.

Anyway, just my 0.02.

Steve

 

Tyson Lee:

If you're going to be an ******* then please at least "enlighten" those who are so "ignorant" to make you be such an ******* in the first place.

For a know-it-all you sure didn't offer any helpful info or insight on the subject, now did you?

What is this forum here for? I think it's to ask and answer questions, and if he wants to ask such a question as he did I think it's fine and dandy.

If you don't like the "newbie" question you see, then simply do not reply to it.

If it makes you feel that much better about yourself to insult another person or belittle them, then good for you.

I hope you feel better.

If you must insist on being an ******* in the future, I have a suggestion for you:



Oh and by the way:

You stayed away from H-T until they created a forum such as this one, right?

What about the Competition Forum then? Seems like the same people from there are here, so do you care to explain how H-T was so horrible beforehand?




[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 6:16 PM 6/26/2002]

 

i answered his question, why is it so hard to understand that if you dont know what it is you need, you dont need it.


[Modified by Tyson, 3:30 PM 6/26/2002]

 

so i guess one day you woke up, and knew all there is to know about road racing and suspension set-ups

 

ARGH ANGRY ANGRY

 

no, of course not. im not saying you need to know everything, or that i do. i do read a lot of books on this stuff. im a geek who spends his nights with a cup of coffee in the bookstore reading every motorsport book he can. when did i say i knew everything? i do know what a sway bar is and what a strut bar does, and its my advice to you not to spend your money on either, especially if you are on a budget. i have offered you my advice, i really am sorry that you are so offended by my blunt statements. maybe you dont want to spend your nights at the bookstore reading car books and its more efficient to ask here, fine. i realize theres plenty of other ppl who are more willing to write out more of an explaination better than me so i didnt bother. youve received your advice from several ppl.

my second statement was not so much to belittle you, but more a statement of my opinion on the rest of HT, which i know is a feeling i dont solely hold around here. i personally am not concerned about the most wicked bodykits, kill stories, street racing, and other related stuff. and when i need technical help on my CRX, i go to john moellers forum as i think the best CRX specific content is there and have been posting there for years. i dont drive any other honda.