Right now I have aftermarket 17s on my Si Sedan... and the wheel gap is awful. I honestly feel like the gap grew x10 when I put on the new wheels and it's' very noticeable. Because of this, I want to get some lowering springs and a camber kit to make it look better / not get tire wear.

My main question is.. would something like Eibach sportlines REALLY truly help the handling, or is it all for looks? I want the car to look better, but more importantly I want to gain some true handling aspects out of it. I'n not sure which ones I wanna go with yet, but after seeing numerous pictures of the HFP spring kit I'm just not sold on it. The drop is too minimal and the price is too high. I just want something that will make the wheel gap a lot less noticeable but also maintain a good ride.

So basically my question is, do those $200 springs + camber kits really help your handling or is it just a looks thing, as the price would indicate? I also want it to be known I'm no auto-crosser or intense motor-head so I'm not dropping $1500 on a coilover kit, I just want a drop + better handling. So.. post your thoughts away

Thanks all

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elohel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The drop is too minimal and the price is too high. I just want something that will make the wheel gap a lot less noticeable but also maintain a good ride.
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Here is a quick calculation for you


HFP = 500+ Install = No Camber kit
Spring & Shock , Improved handling but not the deep lowered look
and you retain OEM warranty .... <FONT SIZE="4">AND</FONT> you can sell your oem equipment to recoup some funds

Any spring you pick = 200 + Camber kit (200) + Alignment (100) + Install = 500
Spring combo will lower your car BUT you'll be deteriorating your oem shocks.... voiding your suspension warranty and end up being MORE MONEY than the HFP....maybe not initially but in the long run most definitely.


HFP &gt; Aftermarket suspension..... well at least for your application.

 

^^^^^^^^
great reply, can't get more " down to the point" answer.

 

Thanks for the reply X. I have another question, though.

I'm able to get Eibach Sportlines brand new from a friend for $150. The camber kit I'm assuming is around $200 like you said, and I have access to a free install and alignment. So it'd be around $350 total. As for the HFP kit, the cheapest I can get it for is $800 (only local dealer near me, two other dealers at 75+ miles away quoted me at around $750) which is about $600 for the it and $200 for the install. I can't get the free install on that like I can with the other it because my dealership told me it has to be verified that it was installed at a certified Honda dealerhship to retain the warranty.

Now the sportlines is about a 1.5" drop all around, is this really going to be hurting the suspension on the SI? The .8" drop the HFP just isn't worth $800 for a drop. At that point I'd rather just buy a used coilover set for $400 more and have a real suspension setup rather than a slight drop with a warranty retention.

Thanks again for the reply

 

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You keep forgetting to factor in that you will need NEW SHOCKS after about 10,000 miles of "lowering"

I &lt;3 Comptech, Eibach springs however for COST which is what your looking for the HFP is the way to go.


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$595 dollars.

 

Okies thank you. So you definitely think it's worth $600 for this setup vs. $350?

 

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Yes. What you will lack in looks you will gain in performance, handling, warranty and not have to worry about shocks failing you.

if you dont care about what happens in a year just get the springs.

but keep in mind there are always random issues arrising with control arms, recalls on rear suspension, knocking sounds...

Too much to risk if you have to pay out of pocket on dealer issues to save 200 bux.

 

Pleas go get the latest issue of Honda Tuning. There is a VERY imformative article in it about camber, caster, and toe wear. I will not disagree that lowering your vehicle will wear out your struts faster. I have come to learn that reasonable camber, will not wear out your tires that fast. The combination of improper camber AND toe, however, will wear your tires like riding on a razor blade. That is why it is so important to MAKE SURE that you get an alignment when you change out springs.

 

So if you get the HFP suspension kit and have the dealer install it, your warranty for the suspension wont be voided? Do they sell it just the front?

 

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No you can't just run front HFP and OEM rear


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Well, i guess I'm just not sure whats covered on a new car warranty or even an extended warranty when it comes to suspension. I get that its covered for a year or 12,000 miles but my question is, if your OEM suspension still has 6 years/100,000 miles warranty and you replace the OEM suspension with the HFP, would the 6 years/100,000 be replaced by the 1/12,000?

 

X ^ Can you say that again? I missed it the first two times. lol

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My main question is.. would something like Eibach sportlines REALLY truly help the handling, or is it all for looks?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Center of gravity is something in physics you want to look into.
Eibach makes earthquake springs for sky scrapers, quality is 2nd to none, it's for both form and function.

 

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Center of gravity is something in physics you want to look into.
Eibach makes earthquake springs for sky scrapers, quality is 2nd to none, it's for both form and function. </TD></TR></TABLE>

True I didn't think of that point Obviously a lower center of gravity = better handeling characteristics. Thanks for pointing that out

I guess my question was just 'are these springs the same quality I'd find in the HFP springs'. I didn't want some really spongey springs that just dropped my car and inch and a half and that was it.

I'm gonna research some more and then make my decision. The HFP's drop just isn't enough, I'd rather just invest that $600 into something else at that point. I'm gonna see if people's shocks are actually going out with a 1.5" drop. I haven't heard of it yet but I'll still be on the lookout.

Thanks for all the responses

 

drop it now and enjoy it. if you have 1 year. that's enough time to save up money and replace shocks later. =b

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pgFA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, i guess I'm just not sure whats covered on a new car warranty or even an extended warranty when it comes to suspension. I get that its covered for a year or 12,000 miles but my question is, if your OEM suspension still has 6 years/100,000 miles warranty and you replace the OEM suspension with the HFP, would the 6 years/100,000 be replaced by the 1/12,000? </TD></TR></TABLE>

The parts themselves have the 1/12,000 however if honda installed them they have an option to get authorization to override any problems that arise.

If you have them installed at a dealer that will 9x out of 10 push a dealer to be more helpful.

Neither of those will effect your regular bumper to bumper. UNLESS someone outside the dealer messed something up when installing the HFP

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Eibach makes some of the best springs in the world. The new Evo MR has them stock as well as almost every race team. Tokico and Koni are coming out with new struts as we speak for lowered cars, specifically the new Si. Eibach springs and either of those companies struts will give you a better look and handling. As long as you align it properly. Im an ASE master tech and I am trained by Hunter, the company that makes the best alignment machines in the world, and negative camber has virtually no effect on tire wear as long as the toe is neutral as long as its not way negative. I have a lowered 07 Si sedan with the Eibach pro kit and I still have the stock struts and no camber kit and my tires are wearing fine. Just have someone who cares and knows what the expletive they're doing line it up. And dont underestimate the importance of rotating your tires frequently on lowered cars.