Just to make it simple and quick, i'm seeking to gain more power w/o using turbo or sc.
I kinda want to keep it N/A, seeing how much power i can make. Right now im using a b18b with minor bolt ons aem v2 cold air intake, JG edlebrock header, full exhaust and a chipped ecu. What would be the next bolt on you guys would suggest?

 

In my opinion you should start doing Internals. For example, cam gears, shafts,pistons, rods. Pulleys, Intake Manifold with a bigger Throttle Bodie. I dont reccomend you use a chipped ECU, other than the stock one.

 

why do u not reccomend a chipped ecu ?
header jg edelbrock
intake comptech
itr exhaust
chpped ecu
23 hp gain and 15lb ?
car feels great didn't even have to get into the internals

 

because you don't need a chip yet.

 

If you have an LS for the money you would spend on internals, i don't think you would be happy with the hp gains. You reach as much hp as a stock gsr. The same amount of money would buy you a turbo kit for your LS and you would have gobs of power. Boost it

 

if you dont want F/I than best bet for you is to do an ls/vtec if you want 200whp+.

go get you a b16 head and tranny w/lsd....

 

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I bet you could spend the same amount of money on an N/A build rather than a turbo kit, and have a fun car to drive. Boost isn't for everyone. Drag race/street race junkies love boost and it is perfect for that application. I like the feel of a N/A motor better for auto-x and track days, it has a flater torque curve and a more consistant throtle response. While you may not be as fast in a straight line, the speed and excitement through the corners is well worth it to me. Besides anyone can step on the gas that's not where the fun is, lets face it the amount of work needed to be done to get an integra below 10s is a bit more than a simple turbo kit, and that's when drag racing would start to get fun.

 

Ls block/Vtec head conversion is quite popular.
You have pretty much exhausted all of your external bolt ons. If your going to swap the head that means new intake manifold(skunk2 or any aftermarket one is best so you can use the LS intake), new header because the studs are different on the front of the head.
This will open up the possibilities for more cams to choose from. When doing an N/A set-up high compression pistons is a normal upgrade. Most aftermarket cams work better with high compression closer to 11:1 or maybe higher depending on how agressive you choose to go. When you upgrade your cams/pistons and such you may want to upgrade to some 370cc or 440cc injectors. The high end usually runs full duty cycle on the injectors which means they are spraying the maximum amount they can which will leave your high rpm starving for fuel(running lean).
I hope this helps. There is plenty to search on about Ls/Vtec.

 

Yup Yup.. L/S VTEC.. only thang to do maine.

 

I would go vtec. I have a gsr and in/header/exhaust..stg1 skunk2 cams and blox intake mani and TB. Also a mugen hi comp two layer head gasket. I made 182.5 whp I'm going itr pistons and the higher comp the better power the cams make.I believe. ..so if I was you go b16 head and b16 tranny.

 

The transmission will only help you with having closer shift points to keep the rpms above where vtec engages so you never shift out of vtec. If your going to be road racing or wanting improved traction in cornering especially and LSD is very important.

 

an engine operates quite simply. get air in, mix with proper amounts of fuel, ignite mixture, get air out. figure out how to do this quickly and efficiently, and you've got some power on your hands.

 

get b18b cams from brian crower

 

Would be real nice with v-tec head but if you're trying to keep it non v-tec, i suggest starting with head work like cams.

 

thanks for all the advice i was thinkin of ls/vtec, but seems like too much work. But those brain brower cams?, where can i purchase them?

 

A nice cheap mod for the b18b is putting b16 pistons in. Those bump compression to (I think) 10.5:1 and it should be able to put similar hp numbers to a GSR and have more torque. LS/VTEC is nice but can get pricey, but the b16 head is almost identical to a type R head so if you're going to do it, this is one of the better options. Keep in mind that a few aftermarket cams eliminate VTEC. Anyway, there are a few good threads on the all motor forum, they can give you some great ideas. Good luck!

 

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simply bumping up the compression a bit isnt going to give an LS that much power

 

I'm sure most have said throw some cams in there, BUT good ones are about $400 I think, with that you can save up on boosting and making more power, but since you wanna go n/a I would do cams, pistons, rods and such... And a good tune...

 

ls vtec cheapest way to make power... build it right the first time,... lsvtec can be very reliable setup if built properly...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by morocco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A nice cheap mod for the b18b is putting b16 pistons in. Those bump compression to (I think) 10.5:1 and it should be able to put similar hp numbers to a GSR and have more torque. LS/VTEC is nice but can get pricey, but the b16 head is almost identical to a type R head so if you're going to do it, this is one of the better options. Keep in mind that a few aftermarket cams eliminate VTEC. Anyway, there are a few good threads on the all motor forum, they can give you some great ideas. Good luck! </TD></TR></TABLE>


Why does everyone want to go with a b16 head, GSR heads make more compression, yeah they might not quite flow as fast,VERY LITTLE MORE FLOW....the compression of a gsr head far out weighs the flow of the b16....
All motor, GSR HEAD,......Boostin? b16 head as it IS lower compression than a gsr head.....so makes for better boost applications

 

Like others have said. LS/Vtec will be the cheapest way to get good power. Just don't take short cuts unless you don't mind replacing blown up motors. Check out the website http://www.b20vtec.com on there they have anything and everything you need to know about building an ls/vtec. I recently built one myself if you have any questions on it feel free to PM me. Tossed in type r pistons, arp rod/head studs, skunk 2 mani, skunk 2 pro 1 cams, skunk 2 retainers/valve springs, port and polish, skunk throttle body etc....like i said, if you have any questions lemme know.