Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic?
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Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic?
I've got 2000 civic and I'm trying to find out if I can go with 225/45-16.... I currently have 205/45-16.... I had some curb rash on one so I decided to upgrade to the HFP gunmetal 16" wheels. I don't want to be in the same predicament down the road some I would like to go with a wider tire thereby eliminating any chance of curb rash? I could go 215/45-16 but I'd like to go wider if possible. Can anyone advise.
BTW, the car is stock height.
BTW, the car is stock height.
Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (BANDITO)
205/45 is your size 
225/45 might fit but there will not be any benefit in doing so
if u ar worried about curb rash then park furthur away from the curbs and dont let anyone drive your cars
225/45 might fit but there will not be any benefit in doing so
if u ar worried about curb rash then park furthur away from the curbs and dont let anyone drive your cars
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Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (Opossum Jenkins)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Opossum Jenkins »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">205/45 is your size
225/45 might fit but there will not be any benefit in doing so
if u ar worried about curb rash then park furthur away from the curbs and dont let anyone drive your cars </TD></TR></TABLE>
215/45-16 will work too (in case, for example, you like the supersticky, fast-wearing Falken Azenis RT-615).
225/45 might fit but there will not be any benefit in doing so
if u ar worried about curb rash then park furthur away from the curbs and dont let anyone drive your cars
</TD></TR></TABLE>215/45-16 will work too (in case, for example, you like the supersticky, fast-wearing Falken Azenis RT-615).
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Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (Opossum Jenkins)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Opossum Jenkins »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">205/45 is your size
225/45 might fit but there will not be any benefit in doing so
if u ar worried about curb rash then park furthur away from the curbs and dont let anyone drive your cars </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm curious as to how 20mm more grip is not a benefit...care to elaborate?
225/45 might fit but there will not be any benefit in doing so
if u ar worried about curb rash then park furthur away from the curbs and dont let anyone drive your cars
</TD></TR></TABLE>I'm curious as to how 20mm more grip is not a benefit...care to elaborate?
Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (SPCBoyles)
225/45 would, at best, be a honda accord tire size. Let's just rephrase my statement and say the nonbenefits outweigh the potential benefits. Yes, 20mm would mean putting down more rubber to the road but then is that what the OP wanted? Using the wider tire would mean having slower gearing, the tire might stick out the fender well depending on offset,width...
Yes, the wider 225/45 size may benefit him more on an autocross course where he will want more grip but on his daily driver w/ stock height, possible stock motor.. The nonbenefits may outweigh the benefits on an everyday basis.
Yes, the wider 225/45 size may benefit him more on an autocross course where he will want more grip but on his daily driver w/ stock height, possible stock motor.. The nonbenefits may outweigh the benefits on an everyday basis.
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Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (Opossum Jenkins)
It's amazing how much emphasis people place on treadwidth, and not on how good the tires are. I think that's probably just because treadwidth is a NUMBER and people think, "Okay, 225 is always better than 205." Which is often not true.
The biggest factor in performance is the tire model itself, i.e., its compound, tread design, etc. Tread width is a relatively minor factor. The performance of a higher-performance tire is just about ALWAYS better than that of a lower-performance tire, even if the lower-performance tire is wider. And that's exactly why 205/45-16 or 215/45-16 is going to give you better performance than 225/45-16: because you can't buy street tires in the 225 size that perform as well as those in 205 or 215. More specifically, you can't find a street tire in 225/45-16 whose performance is as good as the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R in 205/45-16 or the Falken Azenis RT-615 in 215/45-16.
This is quite aside from the factors that Opossum Jenkins pointed out, which are also true, including the fact that the slower gearing means slower acceleration with the wider, larger-diameter tire. The only part I don't agree with is where he says that the wider tire puts down more rubber to the road, which it doesn't do. (It changes the shape of the contact patch where the tire meets the road, but it doesn't change its size.)
The biggest factor in performance is the tire model itself, i.e., its compound, tread design, etc. Tread width is a relatively minor factor. The performance of a higher-performance tire is just about ALWAYS better than that of a lower-performance tire, even if the lower-performance tire is wider. And that's exactly why 205/45-16 or 215/45-16 is going to give you better performance than 225/45-16: because you can't buy street tires in the 225 size that perform as well as those in 205 or 215. More specifically, you can't find a street tire in 225/45-16 whose performance is as good as the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R in 205/45-16 or the Falken Azenis RT-615 in 215/45-16.
This is quite aside from the factors that Opossum Jenkins pointed out, which are also true, including the fact that the slower gearing means slower acceleration with the wider, larger-diameter tire. The only part I don't agree with is where he says that the wider tire puts down more rubber to the road, which it doesn't do. (It changes the shape of the contact patch where the tire meets the road, but it doesn't change its size.)
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Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's amazing how much emphasis people place on treadwidth, and not on how good the tires are. I think that's probably just because treadwidth is a NUMBER and people think, "Okay, 225 is always better than 205." Which is often not true.
The biggest factor in performance is the tire model itself, i.e., its compound, tread design, etc. Tread width is a relatively minor factor. The performance of a higher-performance tire is just about ALWAYS better than that of a lower-performance tire, even if the lower-performance tire is wider. And that's exactly why 205/45-16 or 215/45-16 is going to give you better performance than 225/45-16: because you can't buy street tires in the 225 size that perform as well as those in 205 or 215. More specifically, you can't find a street tire in 225/45-16 whose performance is as good as the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R in 205/45-16 or the Falken Azenis RT-615 in 215/45-16.
This is quite aside from the factors that Opossum Jenkins pointed out, which are also true, including the fact that the slower gearing means slower acceleration with the wider, larger-diameter tire. The only part I don't agree with is where he says that the wider tire puts down more rubber to the road, which it doesn't do. (It changes the shape of the contact patch where the tire meets the road, but it doesn't change its size.)
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I hate to tell you this buddy, but you're totally wrong. A wider tire DOES put more rubber on the road. And no ****, I understand that 205/45-whattheexpletiveever from, say, Falken is going to be better than 225 no-name-brand. But when you deal with comparable tire compounds and tread designs a 225 width DOES make a difference. If it didn't racecars would have skinny tires because ultimately it would mean less resistance and more speed. But, you're probably a racecar driver so you probably already knew that. I don't even know why you said anyone was putting more emphasis on treadwidth than tire quality. The reason why treadwidth was the topic of conversation...well, look at the topic. I know you're a moderator and all, but your response really didn't make any sense.
As for Opossum Jenkins, your response made complete sense. As far as daily driving goes I can see how 225 could be too wide when you take into account hydroplaning, fuel economy, etc. So for daily driving the cons would outweigh the pros, as you said.
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The biggest factor in performance is the tire model itself, i.e., its compound, tread design, etc. Tread width is a relatively minor factor. The performance of a higher-performance tire is just about ALWAYS better than that of a lower-performance tire, even if the lower-performance tire is wider. And that's exactly why 205/45-16 or 215/45-16 is going to give you better performance than 225/45-16: because you can't buy street tires in the 225 size that perform as well as those in 205 or 215. More specifically, you can't find a street tire in 225/45-16 whose performance is as good as the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R in 205/45-16 or the Falken Azenis RT-615 in 215/45-16.
This is quite aside from the factors that Opossum Jenkins pointed out, which are also true, including the fact that the slower gearing means slower acceleration with the wider, larger-diameter tire. The only part I don't agree with is where he says that the wider tire puts down more rubber to the road, which it doesn't do. (It changes the shape of the contact patch where the tire meets the road, but it doesn't change its size.)
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I hate to tell you this buddy, but you're totally wrong. A wider tire DOES put more rubber on the road. And no ****, I understand that 205/45-whattheexpletiveever from, say, Falken is going to be better than 225 no-name-brand. But when you deal with comparable tire compounds and tread designs a 225 width DOES make a difference. If it didn't racecars would have skinny tires because ultimately it would mean less resistance and more speed. But, you're probably a racecar driver so you probably already knew that. I don't even know why you said anyone was putting more emphasis on treadwidth than tire quality. The reason why treadwidth was the topic of conversation...well, look at the topic. I know you're a moderator and all, but your response really didn't make any sense.
As for Opossum Jenkins, your response made complete sense. As far as daily driving goes I can see how 225 could be too wide when you take into account hydroplaning, fuel economy, etc. So for daily driving the cons would outweigh the pros, as you said.
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Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (SPCBoyles)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate to tell you this buddy, but you're totally wrong. A wider tire DOES put more rubber on the road.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it doesn't. As long as the tires are inflated to normal pressures supporting the weight of the car, the size of the contact patches depends only on the weight of the car and the air pressure in the tires. For example, if you have a 2640-pound Integra Type R and you inflate all the tires to 33 pounds per square inch, the total size of those contact patches will equal 2640/33 = 80 square inches. And that number is true regardless of whether the tires are skinny 185 mm treadwidth or phat 225 mm steamrollers. If you disagree, please tell us how you can divide 2640 by 33 and come up with a number other than 80. Show us your math.
The Tire Rack even measured the size of contact patches for different sizes of tires, on the same car with the same pressures, and found that the differences in area between sizes was smaller than the 2 percent accuracy of their measurements.
This is simple physics. And even if you flunked physics, you can read this article which explains it for you. In addition to noting that the size of the contact patches doesn't change, but the shape does, it tells you how that affects performance.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But when you deal with comparable tire compounds and tread designs a 225 width DOES make a difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
In this case, there ISN'T a comparable tire compound or tread design in that size in a street tire.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't even know why you said anyone was putting more emphasis on treadwidth than tire quality. The reason why treadwidth was the topic of conversation...well, look at the topic.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Even though the OP was asking about treadwidth, he was looking for better performance, and in this case, the answer is NO, he won't get better performance in a street tire in that size.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know you're a moderator and all, but your response really didn't make any sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, it makes a lot of sense. Not because I'm a moderator, but because that's how tires work, and the size of the contact patch is basic physics. The simple facts are that (a) you are wrong (i.e. YOUR response didn't make any sense) when you claimed that wider tires put more rubber on the road (as noted above, they don't), and (b) there is no street tire in 225/45-16 that will give performance as good as the RE-01R in 205/45-16 or the RT-615 in 215/45-16, sizes which also have numerous other advantages as well.
No, it doesn't. As long as the tires are inflated to normal pressures supporting the weight of the car, the size of the contact patches depends only on the weight of the car and the air pressure in the tires. For example, if you have a 2640-pound Integra Type R and you inflate all the tires to 33 pounds per square inch, the total size of those contact patches will equal 2640/33 = 80 square inches. And that number is true regardless of whether the tires are skinny 185 mm treadwidth or phat 225 mm steamrollers. If you disagree, please tell us how you can divide 2640 by 33 and come up with a number other than 80. Show us your math.
The Tire Rack even measured the size of contact patches for different sizes of tires, on the same car with the same pressures, and found that the differences in area between sizes was smaller than the 2 percent accuracy of their measurements.
This is simple physics. And even if you flunked physics, you can read this article which explains it for you. In addition to noting that the size of the contact patches doesn't change, but the shape does, it tells you how that affects performance.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But when you deal with comparable tire compounds and tread designs a 225 width DOES make a difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
In this case, there ISN'T a comparable tire compound or tread design in that size in a street tire.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't even know why you said anyone was putting more emphasis on treadwidth than tire quality. The reason why treadwidth was the topic of conversation...well, look at the topic.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Even though the OP was asking about treadwidth, he was looking for better performance, and in this case, the answer is NO, he won't get better performance in a street tire in that size.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know you're a moderator and all, but your response really didn't make any sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, it makes a lot of sense. Not because I'm a moderator, but because that's how tires work, and the size of the contact patch is basic physics. The simple facts are that (a) you are wrong (i.e. YOUR response didn't make any sense) when you claimed that wider tires put more rubber on the road (as noted above, they don't), and (b) there is no street tire in 225/45-16 that will give performance as good as the RE-01R in 205/45-16 or the RT-615 in 215/45-16, sizes which also have numerous other advantages as well.
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Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (nsxtasy)
I read your "tyre" article...while it makes some sense, I still don't see how contact patch size is only dependent upon air pressure and weight on the tire. It still seems that if you have all the same variables, then make the tire wider, it's going to have a larger contact patch. And to your comment on those particular tires being the best in their category...that is TOTALLY a matter of opinion! Just because there are magazines and internet articles that say they're the best doesn't actually make them the best. I guess you believe the new Chevy Malibu really is the car of the year then. I mean, it must be true...Car and Driver or Motor Trend or whoever said so, so it must be true, right?
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Re: Will 225/45-16 fit on 2000 civic? (SPCBoyles)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I read your "tyre" article...while it makes some sense, I still don't see how contact patch size is only dependent upon air pressure and weight on the tire.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's true. Again, it's simple physics. If you have 2640 pounds pushing down onto an area with a uniform force of 33 pounds per square inch, the size of the area is going to total 80 square inches - regardless of the shape of the area. Maybe you don't want to believe it, or maybe that concept is too difficult for you to understand, but it's true nonetheless.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It still seems that if you have all the same variables, then make the tire wider, it's going to have a larger contact patch.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As someone once said, "I hate to tell you this buddy, but you're totally wrong."
Heck, people used to say that the world is flat. Just because you want to believe that something is true, doesn't make it true.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And to your comment on those particular tires being the best in their category...that is TOTALLY a matter of opinion! Just because there are magazines and internet articles that say they're the best doesn't actually make them the best. I guess you believe the new Chevy Malibu really is the car of the year then. I mean, it must be true...Car and Driver or Motor Trend or whoever said so, so it must be true, right? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, I've driven on them. In various sizes, too. Of course, you're going to discount that, too - because you're one of those people who are just going to think what they want to think, and everyone else except you must be wrong, so you just go spewing spurious reasons why you can't possibly be wrong (even though you are). Even when you see detailed analyses by well-respected experts in the field (like the article in Autospeed, a pretty good publication Down Under), you still go falsely claiming things aren't true.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. The simple facts are that (a) you are wrong (i.e. YOUR response didn't make any sense) when you claimed that wider tires put more rubber on the road (as noted above, they don't), and (b) there is no street tire in 225/45-16 that will give performance as good as the RE-01R in 205/45-16 or the RT-615 in 215/45-16, sizes which also have numerous other advantages as well.
At this point, the original question has been answered, and we're off on a tangent having nothing to do with it. When someone simply refuses to believe legitimate, accurate information from respected sources, there's really nothing left to say.
It's true. Again, it's simple physics. If you have 2640 pounds pushing down onto an area with a uniform force of 33 pounds per square inch, the size of the area is going to total 80 square inches - regardless of the shape of the area. Maybe you don't want to believe it, or maybe that concept is too difficult for you to understand, but it's true nonetheless.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It still seems that if you have all the same variables, then make the tire wider, it's going to have a larger contact patch.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As someone
once said, "I hate to tell you this buddy, but you're totally wrong."Heck, people used to say that the world is flat. Just because you want to believe that something is true, doesn't make it true.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SPCBoyles »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And to your comment on those particular tires being the best in their category...that is TOTALLY a matter of opinion! Just because there are magazines and internet articles that say they're the best doesn't actually make them the best. I guess you believe the new Chevy Malibu really is the car of the year then. I mean, it must be true...Car and Driver or Motor Trend or whoever said so, so it must be true, right? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, I've driven on them. In various sizes, too. Of course, you're going to discount that, too - because you're one of those people who are just going to think what they want to think, and everyone else except you must be wrong, so you just go spewing spurious reasons why you can't possibly be wrong (even though you are). Even when you see detailed analyses by well-respected experts in the field (like the article in Autospeed, a pretty good publication Down Under), you still go falsely claiming things aren't true.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. The simple facts are that (a) you are wrong (i.e. YOUR response didn't make any sense) when you claimed that wider tires put more rubber on the road (as noted above, they don't), and (b) there is no street tire in 225/45-16 that will give performance as good as the RE-01R in 205/45-16 or the RT-615 in 215/45-16, sizes which also have numerous other advantages as well.
At this point, the original question has been answered, and we're off on a tangent having nothing to do with it. When someone simply refuses to believe legitimate, accurate information from respected sources, there's really nothing left to say.
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