Hey guys im thinking about trading my eg for a dc with a b20 swap...almost stock so its all cool but anyways im very hesitant about doing that because of all the cops in my area. So my Friend who went to Chaffey for AutoTech says at their Ref Station they will BAR a B20 for you as long as it has integra manifolds. He says he has seen it done along with b20 vtec as long at the oil lines tapped in exactly the right spot...

Now does any of this sound true at all... Im just thinking he doent know what hes talking about but he swears by it...and if this is so, i will be getting the teg very quickly...

Lets get some input on this...thanks

 

It's not going to happen, at least not in CA. It's not SMOG compliant to put a "Light duty truck" motor in a "passenger vehicle". Heads swaps are also out of the question, so no B20/LS VTEC. I've been through both scenarios. sorry, man.

 

you wont be able to get a BAR sticker with a b20. if he's telling you otherwise, he's just stringing you along.

 

not necessarily true.......they do pass emissions on R34 nissans and stuff like that in so-cal.....where r34 are not legal in US either.....but they get bar'd..........why is that..? i know it costs like 8,000 though...

 

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they do a lot of stuff to make those pass emissions and safety regulations. besides, those are still the stock rbd26dett's in there. a b20 is not a stock passenger car engine.

 

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Yes, the <FONT COLOR="red">B20</FONT> is a truck motor, yes, it is an illegal swap. Conventional wisdom would agree with you, however, we use propane gas to pass any engine swap in any car. There are legal ways to smog a <FONT COLOR="red">B20</FONT>. Read on......

Illegal <FONT COLOR="red">B20</FONT> swap + propane gas <FONT COLOR="red">=</FONT> Alternative Fueled Emissions compliant engine swap. Alternative fuel is the key word here, forget the motor swap, with Alternative fuel, it is all about making the swap run clean. Even if the engine swap is a turbo GSR, Standalone with ITB's, once it is run on propane, all the performance mods are now legal because you can argue that the GSR, turbo, Standalone and ITB's are needed to take advantage of propane's 110 octane rating. This is cutting edge here, just because this is a loophole that is not commonly used, doesn't mean that it is BS.

Keep in mind that, once you remove the propane and re-tune your setup to run on 91 octane pump gas, you are no longer <FONT COLOR="red">100%</FONT> legal, but wait, there's more.... here is the good part.... the BAR referee sticker in your engine compartment doesn't specify fuel. So, when Johnny law does pull you over, all they do is scratch their heads and wonder how you BAR ref'd a turbo GSR, Standalone with ITB's....

Besides BAR reffing your engine swap there is another interesting loophole that keeps Johnny Law off your back, it is called smog exemption, this exemption is a one time emissions test on propane that certifies your vehicle as an Alternative fueled vehicle and smog exempts the vehicle <u><FONT COLOR="red">FOREVER</FONT></u>, with smog exemption, you will <u><FONT COLOR="red">NEVER</FONT></u> have to smog your vehicle ever again, even when you sell it. Smog exemption is a legal loophole that smog exempts your vehicle forever, no more fooling around with shady emissions shops.

If you look hard enough, there are legal loopholes for everything. Laws, mandates, regulations and government protocols are written by attorneys with legal loopholes and/ oversights written in, that allow everyday citizens to drive, smog, register and import any vehicle ever made on the face of this planet.

For the record, smog exemption, carb exemption, and BAR reffing are 3 completely different processes, these terms cannot be interchanged. BAR reffing, by far, is the most difficult and useless certification. Smog and Carb exemption are far better than a BAR ref'd swap because a BAR ref'd swap still must undergo strict emissions testing, while the smog/carb exempted vehicle doesn't. Also, Johnny Law can ref ticket a Bar ref'd car, but not a carb exempted car. The simple definition of a carb exempted car is a car that is exempted from all carb emissions mandates. Basically, local law enforcement can pop your hood, but, because the vehicle is both smog/carb exempt, it is therefore emissions compliant regardless of what turbo
<FONT COLOR="red">k20</FONT>, GSR or <FONT COLOR="red">b18</FONT> engine swap you may have, a smog/carb exempted car can legally drive around with a fully built turbo GSR with no emissions controls, and never get a referee ticket.

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Man good info JDM se-R