Ok, so I know this is forced induction, but it sees more then Misc Tech...

Anyways.. I replaced my OEM clutch I was running temporarily on my LS/Vtec..

I went to the competition stage 5, 4 puck unsprung..
Machined the OEM flywheel, like I have before on other flywheels...

Anyways, get the whole thing back together... It wont engage... I cant start it in neutral fine, but cant shift into gear... IF i start it in gear, it pulls forward like its not engaged....
Ive heard of this problem before...

So I decide to rip the entire thing back out and check the throwout bearing and stuff just to make sure, cause i didnt think there was any way there could be a problem with this new clutch... And it only goes together a certain way...

Anyways.. Put it all back together, and same ****** problem....
Im pissed...

What could this be, I know people have had this problem

 

im assuming you bled the system. if you did not bleed it. and if you did, bleed it again.

i had this same EXACT problem with mine and bled it according to the helms (with a tube on the nipple...) i had someone help me pump the clutch while i watched and refilled the clutch resevoir. i did this for about 30 minutes just to make sure. tightend the bleeder screw back up and sure enough the clutch worked just fine.

by the way, i love my cc stg 5

good luck

 

it happened to me once cause a flywheel bolt backed out and stopped the clutch from disengaging all the way.

Usually MC or slave issue though.

 

sounds like you most likely have a hydraulic issue. how does the pedal feel that would be the best/most reliable thing to base judgement on.

if you opened the system (hydraulic, which you shouldnt have) then bleed it. you can just gravity bleed it too.. i.e. open the drain valve and open the resevoir lid and keep pouring fluid in the resevoir till you get clean fluid come out. you can pump the pedal if you want but if you can get it to gravity bleed well then its usually not necessary.

 

I have the same problem with my stage 5 unsprung from CC and i have tryed a lot off things butt i cant find out what is wrong.

 

Sounds like the problem lies with the competition clutch itself

For the most part the clutch can only be installed one way, not much room for error so either your system needs to be bled or your clutch has issues.

 

the pedal is workin properly... but it doesnt feel really hard to push like I thought the stage 5 would... it feels like an OEM clutch basically..

 

^^^^^^^^- i agree. i would feel for how much free play there is in the pedal that could indicate if there is air in the system or if for some reason the distance from release bearing to Pressure Plate is too much. only other thing would be a defective Pressure plate or you put the disc in backwards.

i know it seems stupid but if you put the disc in backwards it would do what yours is doing.

 

its impossible to put the disk in backwards... the part for allignment sticks out on one end and hits the flywheel/pilot bearing... preventing me from puttin it in backwards.

 

it does sound like a problem in the system. most clutchmaster clutches pedal feel pretty stock, it not just a tad bit harder...

when you took your flywheel to get resurfaced, did you take it to a new shop or to the shop that you usually take it to? do they have alot of exp. with honda flywheels? if to much was shaved off the clutch, that could cause problems with engagement..

 

i took it where I take everything I need machined...
they do all my engine work... bore, hone, whatever else

 

IF i stick my finger inside the slave cyl, with the top closed on the resovoir, should i be able to move the slave cylinder all the way till it bottoms out? cause when I do, i sometimes hear a noise from the resovoir

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by g23_ej1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it does sound like a problem in the system. most clutchmaster clutches pedal feel pretty stock, it not just a tad bit harder...

when you took your flywheel to get resurfaced, did you take it to a new shop or to the shop that you usually take it to? do they have alot of exp. with honda flywheels? if to much was shaved off the clutch, that could cause problems with engagement.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I also have a CC ultra light flywheel so that isnt problem because i have the same problem as Topdawgg.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Topdawgg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IF i stick my finger inside the slave cyl, with the top closed on the resovoir, should i be able to move the slave cylinder all the way till it bottoms out? cause when I do, i sometimes hear a noise from the resovoir</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackpearlcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I also have a CC ultra light flywheel so that isnt problem because i have the same problem as Topdawgg.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it was simply a thought..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by g23_ej1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

it was simply a thought.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Butt it is great to hear that i am not the only one with this problem and i hope whe can find out what the problem is.

 

ok, well if I can move the slave all the way to the bottom, and it holds pressure when I do it... then what could It be...

Ive tried bleeding again...

takin the line from the bleeder to a jug of fluid... pushin the pedal down all the way and bringin it back up slowly...
No change, unless I havent done it long enough... I did it about 10 times..

 

Butt you totaly cant shift or does it goes very hard?

 

Ok, my elusive R & D guy that I just got finished speaking to had the following things to say about this:

**I'm at work and haven't read the whole thread yet so I don't know what of this you have done...**

1.Flywheel step is improper

2.Bent Disc

3.Not enough release (hydraulic, master, slave, bearing) Is the bearing hitting the plate?

4.Linkage bent.

I will read this in full in just a few minutes. It's busy right this second. I will do my best to reply and help as I can.

Blackpearlcivic - thank you for your patience and for bringing this to my attention.

Chris H.

 

ok, well the flywheel was machined down by my engine shop to the specs recommended in their reference manual for different cars..

the disk was just taken out of the box and installed... brand new.. hasnt been touched.. So unless it came bent, thats not it..

linkage is not bent, the car shifts fine when the car is off, and nothing could have bent the linkage at all...

so the only thing that Im thinking would be clutch pressure from the master/slave..

someone also said that I could have used the inproper sized bolts for the PP, but I used the OEM bolts that Ive always used... there are 2 sizes available though, one from an LS and one from a b16, but they should be the same cause they are for the same hydro clutch...

 

I think that there is something wrong with the clutch because before the CC clutch i had a cheapass XTD clutch and everything was ok.And than placed the CC and i have this problem.

 

im pretty sure its just air in the system. you need to pump it way more than 10 times. get a buddy to help you and just have him keep lifting it and pushing it down iwht his hand while you keep topping off the resevoir. keep keep doing it. i was about to give up but just kept going for a while.

 

Im really hoping its air, cause Im not looking forward to taking the tranny back out again...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Topdawgg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, well the flywheel was machined down by my engine shop to the specs recommended in their reference manual for different cars..

the disk was just taken out of the box and installed... brand new.. hasnt been touched.. So unless it came bent, thats not it..

linkage is not bent, the car shifts fine when the car is off, and nothing could have bent the linkage at all...

so the only thing that Im thinking would be clutch pressure from the master/slave..

someone also said that I could have used the inproper sized bolts for the PP, but I used the OEM bolts that Ive always used... there are 2 sizes available though, one from an LS and one from a b16, but they should be the same cause they are for the same hydro clutch...</TD></TR></TABLE>

what was you step on that flywheel for verification please?

it is POSSIBLE that the disc is bent, you know our friendly shipping companies . We do double check them before they leave

pressure from the master and slave would be the most common problems, but I am not a pro with that at all.

I'm still working on it...keep the info coming.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Topdawgg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im really hoping its air, cause Im not looking forward to taking the tranny back out again...</TD></TR></TABLE>

no one ever is...I'm sorry you're having the problem, both you and blackpearlcivic. I'm going as quickly as I can and helping as much as I can until my R & D guy gets back in from vacation.

Chris H.