I am really tired of seatbelts on doors. I want a harness bar, so i'm gonna have to fab it up. has anyone really done this, or have pictures of an ef with a harness bar.

 

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A "harness bar" without a roll bar is so dangerous I can't believe people still consider it.

In the event of a rollover, the stock seatbelts allow you to sink down and "submarine" so that you don't have any spinal compression. With a harness, there is no "submarine" effect, so your spine becomes so compressed that you'll likely be paralyzed for the rest of your life.

So, get a roll bar if you have harnesses.

 

this is crxwolf's old car. not sure who makes it or if it was a custom job. but yeah Tippyman is right. I remember a post a while back when you described in detail the problems of a harness bar with no cage.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by em Dot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is crxwolf's old car. not sure who makes it or if it was a custom job. but yeah Tippyman is right. I remember a post a while back when you described in detail the problems of a harness bar with no cage.

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wolf had a autopower 4pt roll bar with harness bar built in...it is a good setup

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A "harness bar" without a roll bar is so dangerous I can't believe people still consider it.

In the event of a rollover, the stock seatbelts allow you to sink down and "submarine" so that you don't have any spinal compression. With a harness, there is no "submarine" effect, so your spine becomes so compressed that you'll likely be paralyzed for the rest of your life.

So, get a roll bar if you have harnesses. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Many people use a harness bar for autocross. This way you dont have the added weight of a cage and still get held in your seat from the harness. It is very unlikely you will rollover in a auto-x or if you did at the speed you would be going that the car would crush at all. You might want to ask before you flame him. It might not be your cup of tea but it might be the best option for him.

 

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Many people use a harness bar for autocross. This way you dont have the added weight of a cage and still get held in your seat from the harness. It is very unlikely you will rollover in a auto-x or if you did at the speed you would be going that the car would crush at all. You might want to ask before you flame him. It might not be your cup of tea but it might be the best option for him.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The last autocross I was at, a car did flip over. Granted, it was a little Fiat with rock-hard suspension and about a three foot wheelbase, but if flipped nonetheless.

I wasn't flaming, I was just surprised that people still consider this a viable option. Like you said, the only way this could be ok is if this car is a trailered autocross car that only goes on tracks slow enough to not allow a roll-over. But, even then, you never know what the track will be like or how fast it'll be. **** happens, and I would not want to be driving around knowing that if I flipped, I would likely be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life. Sure a harness w/ a bar is alot more stable and safe, but only if the car stays on its feet.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The last autocross I was at, a car did flip over. Granted, it was a little Fiat with rock-hard suspension and about a three foot wheelbase, but if flipped nonetheless.

I wasn't flaming, I was just surprised that people still consider this a viable option. Like you said, the only way this could be ok is if this car is a trailered autocross car that only goes on tracks slow enough to not allow a roll-over. But, even then, you never know what the track will be like or how fast it'll be. **** happens, and I would not want to be driving around knowing that if I flipped, I would likely be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life. Sure a harness w/ a bar is alot more stable and safe, but only if the car stays on its feet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lets put it this way...both tippyman and i are not stupid enough to have a big metal bar right behind our heads that doesnt have the support of a roll bar with back struts

 

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lets put it this way...both tippyman and i are not stupid enough to have a big metal bar right behind our heads that doesnt have the support of a roll bar with back struts </TD></TR></TABLE> autopower 4 pt FTW...

 

CRX are known to snap into several pieces in a bad enough accident

In the event of a rollover, a full cage and harness only works when you are wearing a helmet. And wearing a helmet is not too realistic for the street/daily driver. If you dont wear a helmet, the cage can do more harm than good when you hit your head on it.


In my car, the door mounted seatbelts do absolutely NOTHING.
Realisticlly, a 4 pt. harness will protect you from a good ammount of accidents, with the exception of a rollover. The majority of accidents do not involve roll-overs.
IMO Even the worst 4 pt. harness is hell of a lot better than nothing -- and thats what my door mounted seatbelts are good for -- nothing.




Modified by gringo7718 at 9:17 PM 5/29/2007

 

im definately gonna have to agree. i dont really see myself flipping. loads of people run harnesses, and no cages. i know and have seen alot of people run harness bars and no cages. they love them. i like them so im gonna run one.

 

Ideally for the street, I would run the 1988 pillar mounted seatbelts. But they require welding in threaded nuts etc. and other modifications. Since you are going through all the trouble of fabbing and welding, maybe you should check this out and then make your decision.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1456104

 

i just took the seatbealts out of my crx. i have all the pieces and door panels since they are different with the seatbelts that mount to the b pillar. my car is an Si so it says crx on the panels. i beleave there is one tear in the passenger side panel about an inch long. ill take $75 plus shipping if interested for it all. oh and you dont have to weld the nuts in. as long as you tighten the nuts and bolts you'll be fine.

 

Isn't the pillar reinforced better for the seatbelts in the 88, that's why its hard to find companies that will make a harness bar for 89-91's. They don't want the liability. Personally, I'd go with the cage.

 

88-89 Civic/crx the belts are in the Door not just in 88

 

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I am not talking about a full-on cage. I'm talking about a simple roll bar. If the bar is properly designed, then the main hoop should be the closest part to your head, and even that should be no where near it.

I still maintain the position that if you go through the trouble of fabbing up a harness bar, you should do it right and make a simple roll bar. It's not any harder and infinitely safer.

 

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Please re read the link I posted. The information says that in 90-91 CRX there is only a big hole in the pillar where the threads are supposed to be. There are no threads which is why it is required to install the threads so you can bolt it up. Apparently, ONLY the 1988 and 1989 models have the threaded holes already present???


Tippyman: the information you are giving is great info and it seems to be correct and by the book. (Unfortunately for all of us, it is the most expensive route.) My point is that it only becomes an issue in the event of a roll-over, which is not really common.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gringo7718 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tippyman: the information you are giving is great info and it seems to be correct and by the book. (Unfortunately for all of us, it is the most expensive route.) My point is that it only becomes an issue in the event of a roll-over, which is not really common. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That harness bar monstrosity that was posted costs $300.

http://www.livermoreperformanc....html

There is a "street roll bar" on there for $339. You do the math. Just take the "Street roll bar" and, if you don't know how, have someone weld in a horizontal bar for the harness. DONE.

 

I do not like the idea of the harness bar either. (you would still need to weld in nuts on the 90-91 to make it work and it is the same price as a functional roll bar.)

I was suggesting not using a bar at all, which is "safe" unless you roll over.

here is the same autopower roll bar 40$ cheaper here on H-T
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1862416 -$299

 

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here is the same autopower roll bar 40$ cheaper here on H-T
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1862416 -$299

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WOW. Good deal!

 

seriously though, harness bar seems to be way more of a danger than a safety precaution in use w/o a roll bar/cage

 

A harness bar alone is deadly in the event of any serious rollover. Look around at crashed Honda's on HT's. At least 2/10 times it's a flipped Honda with the roof slightly crushed in. Now imagine this, you're sitting in the driver's seat and you flip going 50 for some reason or another. Maybe you hit a divot in the road/car goes into a spin.

Okay, so the car is now flipping and you're strapped in via harness. Your head is already close to the roof because in our EF's even a 5"5' guy is damned close to the roof. Roof crushes, but you're strapped in via harness and your head gets compressed down on your spine then you suffer major medical complications or quite potentially die. Unrealistic?

Think again.

The seat belts in our cars are designed so in the event of the roof collapsing in you "fall" into the passenger's lap because you have that movement available.

Of course I shouldn't even be making this post, I'm going to be running a fully caged/padded EF in about 2 weeks. Good luck with whatever choice you make .

Cliffnotes: If you run a harness get a rollbar to prevent the roof from tearing your head off ftmfw .

 

Any harness is still safer than a door mounted seatbelt that doesn't even work !!!!

Seriously, my seatbelts dont work. With a harness I would still be "safe" unless I roll over -- and definitely hell of a lot "safer" than wearing my factory seatbelt which does NOTHING.

Roll-overs are not your typical accident. Roll-overs account for 3% of all accidents and that is not that common. Odds are 97% of the time you will not flip over. (this statistic includes SUV and trucks which are more likely to flip). Besides, you make it sound like the factory seatbelt can save you from anything. Fact is, If you are in a CRX that is flipping over - you are in trouble, regardless of which seatbelt you wear.

http://www.consumersunion.org/rollover/faq.html#4




Modified by gringo7718 at 5:25 PM 5/30/2007

 

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Any harness is still safer than a door mounted seatbelt that doesn't even work !!!!


Seriously, my seatbelts dont work. With a harness I would still be "safe" unless I roll over -- and definitely hell of a lot "safer" than wearing my factory seatbelt which does NOTHING.

</TD></TR></TABLE> then why not save up and do it right, just get a freaking four pt. I got mine for 300 in So cal and i have seen autopowers go for like 120 in other locations...come on my mom even loves my rollbar