whats up guys. i just need some opinions as i would like to make up my mind pretty soon and cant figure out what i want. right now i have an 93 civic hatchback. i was planning on building a d16z6 block with some 75.5mm vitara pistons, eagle rods, oem bearings, new oil/water pump, arp headstuds, and a z6 head with a zex cam and stock valvetrain, with possibly an aftermarket intake manifold. right now i have a t3 super 60 and a d-series log mani. i also have the block and the headstuds. my questions is, should i go throught with this and order the stuff and get it all together, or just sell what i can and buy and boost a stock healthy ls motor? i know the sohc will be capable of more power in the end, but the turbo limits me to about 300whp max, which is what i could possibly make on a stock ls. i know the ls is more capable if built, but right now i would want to avoid tearing into the motor. that would leave me room to upgrade though. i thought building the d-series would be cheaper, but i have been adding it all up and with machine work it is about the same price if not more. i have seen a few clean ls swaps going for cheap lately as well. i would have to sell the mani for sure which isnt a huge deal cause i would like to get an ac comp. one anyway and i have heard mixed ideas on whether the turbo would work efficiently on the ls.
basically i just need opinions or tell me what you would do.
thanks and sorry so long

 

anyone care to share their opinion

 

honesty i like the ls turbo swap into a hatch.....

they make great power and r really quick considering their weight....

but idk much about doing SOCH motors so im just basing it on what i have seen and read about ls swaps and such....

i have seen plenty of SOCH with tons of power but thats with a good amount of money and tons of work put in.....

an ls swap would probably make alot more power....

 

yea, at first i thought i could build the d-series for cheaper than an ls swap and make more power, but with all the machine work, the d will cost a bit more. plus i wouldnt have to worry about assembling the bottom end, which is something i want to learn how to do, but maybe not right now. any more opinions or suggestions?

 

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it sounds like you've already made up your mind, why do you need more opinions?

1. you dont want to tear into a long block
2. you're not able to build up another long block
3. you want to get the most out of your 300 whp turbo, and the sohc won't get you there without doing above steps.

Why are you bothering to make a thread?

LS-T in a hatch =

 

well i just wanted to see what other with experience have done. i have potential buers for my turbo and mani, so that isnt the issue. i just want to make sure i do it right the first time

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alex_s817 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i just wanted to see what other with experience have done</TD></TR></TABLE>

here is the LS-T thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1323059
here is the SOHC-T thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1643764

MANY others have done both of these setups safely and reliably on stock blocks

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alex_s817 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i just want to make sure i do it right the first time </TD></TR></TABLE>

always a good thing

 

thanks for the help, i think im just gonna get an ac comp manifold for my sohc and go that route. still deciding though.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucioussae &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it sounds like you've already made up your mind, why do you need more opinions?

1. you dont want to tear into a long block
2. you're not able to build up another long block
3. you want to get the most out of your 300 whp turbo, and the sohc won't get you there without doing above steps.

Why are you bothering to make a thread?

LS-T in a hatch = </TD></TR></TABLE>

300 whp out of a stock LS is about like 230-240 whp in a stock D16 - at it's limit.

LS are rolling up on eight years old at the least, 99% chance the one the poster finds is older. I call that used up beat down swill that needs a rebuild.

Brass tacks, unless you care to spend the money and build an LS engine anyway, the D16 is going to require just as much work. The D16 is also going to cost less, and be perfectly reliable at 300 whp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joseph Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">300 whp out of a stock LS is about like 230-240 whp in a stock D16 - at it's limit.

LS are rolling up on eight years old at the least, 99% chance the one the poster finds is older. I call that used up beat down swill that needs a rebuild.

Brass tacks, unless you care to spend the money and build an LS engine anyway, the D16 is going to require just as much work. The D16 is also going to cost less, and be perfectly reliable at 300 whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats what im tryin to tell myself haha. for some reason i just really wnted to do a B swap, but with people making 400whp on sohc's fairly easily and some with vitara pistons, i will most likely go that direction. even with all machine work included, i think the d-series will be about the same price as a b16 swap and it will be built instead of just a stock motor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alex_s817 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">even with all machine work included, i think the d-series will be about the same price as a b16 swap and it will be built instead of just a stock high mileage motor that hasn't been made for going on eight years that needs a rebuild</TD></TR></TABLE>

Fixed it for you.

FYI, for 300 whp I wouldn't even fool around with a cam. Seriously, you'll have plenty of traction problems to spend your money on instead.

 

you think the cam is unnecessary? i am still learning so every little bit helps. do you have any more suggestions? i think if and when i do build this motor i will be able to run 300whp fairly reliably with a good tune, of course i wont run that much all the time though
thanks

 

Cam is a bottleneck when you try to push past 400 whp.

 

i see. i may be purchasing a recently built bottom end and stock head from a member on here, or i might just go ahead and build my own. either way i think my block will be able to withstand a lot more than the turbo. do you think i might want to use an aftermarket intake manifold?

 

Stock intake manifold is a bottleneck when you try to push past 400 whp.

See also head porting.

See also stock sleeves.

Ad nauseam.

 

so for my set-up i should just go with pistons and rods and some headstuds and call it a day?