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Old May 26, 2007 | 03:26 PM
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Default What are all the gauges I need for turbo kit?

Here are the ones I think i'm getting, it should be all I need...

Fuel Pressure Gauge
Boost Gauge
Oil Pressure Gauge


What else?
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Old May 26, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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you dont need any guages for any mod. there are only guages that you feel you need to monitor the engine that way it doesnt all of a sudden go boom.

recomended to buy guages for anything involving heat , pressure

heat
-water temp(too hot motor warps)
-oil temp(to hot oil cooks)
-egt(too hot too lean)

pressure
-fuel(you run lean you go boom)
-boost(too much boost you run lean)
-oil(no oil motor goes boom turbo goes boom)
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Old May 26, 2007 | 05:11 PM
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if your buying a turbo, you should ask the people in the turbo section, forced induction or whatever it is...they will no better
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Old May 26, 2007 | 05:36 PM
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Default Re: What are all the gauges I need for turbo kit? (PleaseKeepOffDunes)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PleaseKeepOffDunes &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if your buying a turbo, you should ask the people in the turbo section, forced induction or whatever it is...they will no better</TD></TR></TABLE>

they arent going to know much better than me. look at my sig and look at my build. i m pretty sure i know what im talking about.
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Old May 26, 2007 | 06:10 PM
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I went with:

Boost
Water temp.
Oil Pressure


I may add an fuel pressure gauge down the line.
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Old May 26, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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I would say if you plan on only getting 3 gauges it would be water temp, oil pressure and a lambda
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Old May 26, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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a air/fuel ratio guage would be a better choice then a fuel pres. and EGT.
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Old May 27, 2007 | 03:14 AM
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cool beans you guys are awesome, i dunno how your always here for me, but you are, I wish I could do the same for others
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Old May 27, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pos_cd5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a air/fuel ratio guage would be a better choice then a fuel pres. and EGT.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i dont really agree with the a/f guage due to the fact that not sensitive to incremental changes in the a/f

both fuel press and egt are great choices.

i would solely recoment a boost guage just in case you have a leak lets say to your wastegate that causes you to overboost and then you will run extrememly lean.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crx Jimmy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would say if you plan on only getting 3 gauges it would be water temp, oil pressure and a lambda</TD></TR></TABLE>


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90sedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went with:

Boost
Water temp.
Oil Pressure


I may add an fuel pressure gauge down the line.</TD></TR></TABLE>
for the three that you can actually monitor those are great choices.
most inexperienced honda-tech'rs dont really know what a lambda guage would be used for.
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Old May 27, 2007 | 08:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by electric_rex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i dont really agree with the a/f guage due to the fact that not sensitive to incremental changes in the a/f</TD></TR></TABLE>

a AFR guage is very acurate if you get a wideband 02 and a good quality guage. you must have dealt with guages that used the stock narrowband 02 sensor, those only read from like 12:1-15:1 or so and jump all over the place.
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Old May 27, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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Does it really matter if the A/f gauge jumps around with a narrow band?
It is still reading the A/F just at a higher sampling rate than the wideband.
You are looking for a lean condition at WOT or near that.

It should stay rich when your at WOT and even with the narrow ones you can monitor the A/F based on that.
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Old May 27, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Does it really matter if the A/f gauge jumps around with a narrow band?
It is still reading the A/F just at a higher sampling rate than the wideband.
You are looking for a lean condition at WOT or near that.

It should stay rich when your at WOT and even with the narrow ones you can monitor the A/F based on that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the range is not wide enough. you wont know exactly where you are at. thats like saying for a race engine your stock temp guage will work fine. by the time your stock temp guage reads high its probably going to be too late.
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Old May 27, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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I hate a bunch of gauges, but to be safe and functional, I would use..

-Air/fuel
-Exhaust temp
-Boost
-Oil pressure
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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I'm going with wideband PLX-M300 that will handle my air/fuel ratio gauge right? The read out is digital, and it's just a number, but there is a way to get it too read out to a real gauge. Would that solution be needed? Or is it rather easy to tell from the digits what a/f ratio your car is running at? I like the gauges becuase they reference lean or rich and on the PLX it is just a number with no meaning attached.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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if you ever need an extra set of hands hit me up im always down to help.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MikeFabRex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate a bunch of gauges, but to be safe and functional, I would use..

-Air/fuel
-Exhaust temp
-Boost
-Oil pressure</TD></TR></TABLE>



I have mine somewhat like this on a tri-pillar.
(Closest to furthest) Oil pressure, Boost, EGT



I'm also getting a PLX-R300/500 very soon to monitor A/F's


Modified by wickedEFguy at 9:20 PM 6/5/2007
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Does it really matter if the A/f gauge jumps around with a narrow band?
It is still reading the A/F just at a higher sampling rate than the wideband.
You are looking for a lean condition at WOT or near that.

It should stay rich when your at WOT and even with the narrow ones you can monitor the A/F based on that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It does matter.. a narrow band acts as an on/off switch for lean or rich detection. it tells you nothing. lean could mean 15.1 or 20.5, all a narrow band will tell you is "lean". a wideband on the other hand will tell you HOW rich, or HOW lean. a narrowband connected to a guage is a pretty light show, and nothing more. you need a wideband to accurately tell how rich or lean you are. otherwise, IMHO, you are wasting your money.

there is no "sampling rate" related to your o2 sensor. the ecu does the sampling. The o2 sensor just sets a voltage on the wire. therefor, the sampling rate is the same, unless you changed your ecu.

a PLX or Innovate wideband, or even the aem wideband setup will serve you well.. go with that. my personal favorite is the innovate lc-1 with the moates.net o-meter.. but thats for the cheap bastards among us..
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:26 PM
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This should be in FI forum: but here mix and match

EGT
AFR
Water Temp
Oil Temp
Oil pressure
Boost
Fuel Pressure

Eliminate EGT and AFR with a wideband...Fuel pressure is not that important so just have one in your bay for when you tune "adjust you FPR". Oil pressure is more important that oil temp, but if you are running a beefy, and i mean beefy set up, I would reccommend oil temp gauge and a oil cooler; but for small honda's most the time you don't want an oil cooler due to the fact that the oil likes to operate @ a certain temp. So really boost, oil pressure, and water temp should be your gauges, with wideband and a fuel pressure guage in the bay...but thats just opinionated happy boosting
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:49 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whole9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm going with wideband PLX-M300 that will handle my air/fuel ratio gauge right? The read out is digital, and it's just a number, but there is a way to get it too read out to a real gauge. Would that solution be needed? Or is it rather easy to tell from the digits what a/f ratio your car is running at? I like the gauges becuase they reference lean or rich and on the PLX it is just a number with no meaning attached. </TD></TR></TABLE>

a gigital guage that reads #s will be easier to read IMO. if your tempted to go with a sweeping guage because it has colors to show whether your lean or rich just remember, 14.7:1 is stoichiometric, it is considered the ideal AFR, in which it is just the perfect amount of air to burn 1 unit of gasoline. so anything under 14.7 is rich, anything over is lean. but with any tuned car, 14.7:1 stoich is not always ideal. it is up to you and your tuner to determine what is the optimal AFR for your set-up, and what is considered safe for your set-up. generally with a good tune your AFR should stay fairly consistent all through out the RPM range, with it running slightly rich out of boost and leaning out towards a ideal mixture under boost.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89efDUSTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Eliminate EGT and AFR with a wideband...</TD></TR></TABLE>

ummm...a wideband is a AFR guage. i think you meant to say eliminate EGT and fuel pres. guage with a AFR, since both a EGT and fuel pres. will show symptoms of rich or lean conditions.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sanimalp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It does matter.. a narrow band acts as an on/off switch for lean or rich detection. it tells you nothing. lean could mean 15.1 or 20.5, all a narrow band will tell you is "lean". a wideband on the other hand will tell you HOW rich, or HOW lean. a narrowband connected to a guage is a pretty light show, and nothing more. you need a wideband to accurately tell how rich or lean you are. otherwise, IMHO, you are wasting your money.
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^this guy knows what hes talking about
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pos_cd5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i think you meant to say eliminate EGT and fuel pres. guage with a AFR, since both a EGT and fuel pres. will show symptoms of rich or lean conditions.
</TD></TR></TABLE> EGT is important but AFR for a little honda setup is more, because AFR will help you find detonation faster than EGT...my bad sorry for the confusion brought by me typing in my small little HT box in the corner @ work
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 01:20 PM
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Default Re: What are all the gauges I need for turbo kit? (89efDUSTY)

i'm in the process of shopping for gauges as we speak.

i've decided on:
- water temp
- oil pressure
- boost
- wideband
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 02:06 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mahatma &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm in the process of shopping for gauges as we speak.

i've decided on:
- water temp
- oil pressure
- boost
- wideband</TD></TR></TABLE>

ding ding ding thats my decision too
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