Ok, I don't want to post in here any more than you want me to post in here, but I have a relevant topic:

My only question is if the value of the Type R is decreased if the number plate and armrest are missing? Furthermore, can you order a center console with a blank number plate from Acura? I know that it's impossible to find the number, and that is of no interest to me anyway.

Your speedy answers are much appreciated.

 

First question. NO

Second question. YES

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR 00-0477 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First question. NO

Second question. YES</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank you.

 

In my opinion, it might bother some people that it is missing but the bottom line is that is it getting harder and harder to find clean R's these days so all in all it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

 

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If the number was to be found the best bet would be to call the dealership that sold it new correct? Unfortunately I could see where people would be able to get a plate, stamp it with whatever number they would want, and then pass that off as real since Acura never kept track of them.

 

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If the number was to be found the best bet would be to call the dealership that sold it new correct? Unfortunately I could see where people would be able to get a plate, stamp it with whatever number they would want, and then pass that off as real since Acura never kept track of them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Unfortunately, the dealerships didn't keep any records like that, that I have heard of. I also clearly remember through the years of other owners more or less saying the same things about the dealerships in their areas.

Unless a current owner can trace the ownership back to the original owner, or a past owner who knows for sure what the badge number was, it is anyones guess.

Also if you wanted to read a little bit more about the badge number, there is an interesting sticky at the top of this forum. You will find that there is no correlation between the VIN and the badge number. It was almost as if the badge numbers were randomly given.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also if you wanted to read a little bit more about the badge number, there is an interesting sticky at the top of this forum. You will find that there is no correlation between the VIN and the badge number. It was almost as if the badge numbers were randomly given.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not exactly true. There was a loose correlation.

Each range of VIN numbers is assigned sequentially as the cars are built. Each market has one or more ranges of VIN numbers. For example, for USIM Integras in each model year, there were four ranges of VIN numbers whose last six digits can duplicate each other: one for 3-door manual-trans Integras, one for 4-door manual-trans Integras, and two more for the automatics. Thus, the 3-door manual-trans Integras in any given year were assigned VIN numbers 000001, 000002, 000003, etc; some were Type Rs, others were GS-Rs and LSs, etc.

The badges were not assigned exactly sequentially, but there is an imprecise correlation. Two consecutive ITRs (no ITRs with intervening VIN digits) may not have consecutive badge numbers, but they are not likely to be different by a whole lot; they might be off by 5 or 10, but they are not likely to be off by 100 or more, the way they would if they were totally random.

Hope that makes sense.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It was almost as if the badge numbers were randomly given.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks, I'll read into that....


This random designation of serial numbers is nothing new to me... there used to be a bit of trickery involved in dating old Fender guitars by the serial number stamped on the neck plate. People would claim that the serial number would line up perfectly and tell the owner when and in what order the guitar was made. As it turned out, the Fender guitar factory was just that; a factory. They would dump thousands of already numbered plates into a bin, and the worker would just pull out whatever plate happened to be on top, and match it with whatever guitar happened to be in front of him at any given time. I'd suspect that this is what happened with the ITRs... more than likely there was a bin of badges near the line, and a worker would just grab whichever one was on top and slap it on the car. So, as I said, that doesn't seem too far-fetched, and the number is of no consequence... to me at least.

 

Some people are **** about the number, others are not. I think when buying/selling the vehicle it is a definate plus across the board. Some of the guys on here have even held onto their original dealer window stickers.

Fortunately when I purchased mine, the badge number was intact. I immediately took it off and replaced it with an un numbered badge and put the original in a safe place.

I can distinctly remember that when I sold the R, the issue of the badge number was one of the main concerns to the new buyer.

If I buy another R, to me, the badge number will be of concern. Why? I can't honestly tell you. Maybe because I will be looking for one that is unmollested.

 

If I ever buy another R, it will have to have the badge intact.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some people are **** about the number, others are not. I think when buying/selling the vehicle it is a definate plus across the board. Some of the guys on here have even held onto their original dealer window stickers.

Fortunately when I purchased mine, the badge number was intact. I immediately took it off and replaced it with an un numbered badge and put the original in a safe place.

I can distinctly remember that when I sold the R, the issue of the badge number was one of the main concerns to the new buyer.

If I buy another R, to me, the badge number will be of concern. Why? I can't honestly tell you. Maybe because I will be looking for one that is unmollested.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Amen to that... I kept the original dealer sticker and put the armrest away

 

This depends on the buyer. If/when I get another ITR, I would want the badge and that could be a determining factor of me purchasing said car. With that said though, if I got another ITR as a project car, say one that was a theft recover, I don't think it would matter. If a buyer is looking for a clean, unmodded ITR I think he would expect that the badge comes with the car.

You can though still buy blanks from the dealer, then have them engraved if you know the original badge number, or just want to make one up.

Hope that clears things up.

 

When I bought mine there was a little bit of history that was unknown to me. The "guys/gals" of this forum helped point me in the right direction. So for me, the badge number was VERY important in discovering some interesting little bits of information