I am aware that I am going to get many varying opinions on this so here goes. First a little background... I am a novice (i.e. love honda's, but, don't know anything about how to build them). I am the proud owner of a '97 Integra GSR that has had a lot of work done to it by me. The usual header, exhaust, cold air intake yada yada, performance suspension (tokico i love it), performance breaks, clutch, flywheel etc etc. Needless to say I am into making my car better in every way that I can. What I DO NOT want to do is put a turbo kit or a supercharger on it. I use this car as a daily driver and DO NOT want the daily strain that a turbo or a supercharger will entail. For all of you turbo loving people out their please don't try to convince me otherwise I know that I will never get a lot of power out of the car without it. I am not trying to accomplish that, however, what I do want to do is start to obtain parts for an engine rebuild (there currently is nothing wrong with the engine now). I am interested in pulling type r type of power out of it N/A or maybe even turning it into a type R engine wise (i know about the sunroof). What I was wondering is if you guys could give me some advice about how to go about doing this. I am looking to make somewhere around 190 - 200 HP in the engine. With that in mind please feel free to offer an opinion, keeping in mind that I don't want to spend a TON of money or do anything crazy (way out of spec) to the block. I was thinking type r pistons and cams (or just a good set of cams that may do the same thing as the type r cams) etc. For all of you that want to see a picture of my baby you can view it here:

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no offense but lose the euro's.
secondly how big of a budget are you working with?

 

Well honestly I want to get it done for as little as possible, but, just for the fun of it lets say $3,000 installed (i know someone that has my engine in his civic and works at a honda dealership during the day he will help me dramatically keep my labor down so it's really about the parts).

 

personally I would just turbo at low boost(6psi). your motor can handle that and gsr motors are good turbo motors.

 

I'm sure it will, but, sorry no turbo. I don't want to hassle with the issues that it will cause even at low boost. I am looking for an N/A answer here. If I wanted to go with a turbo I would have already done that. I am aware that with a turbo you can create an infinant amount of power sky is the limit, but, so is the shop time after you do it (for example I have another mechanic friend who is trying to get his LS to 300 whp and this past weekend he had to TOW his car back to his shop for it). This isn't an option for me, I am not a mechanic and I use my car to get to work, so, anytime it's in the shop I can't work.

 

If you want reliability and just want to make 200 hp (to the crank) on a low budget then just stick to OEM parts. Get JDM ITR pistons, ITR rods, ITR cams, skunk2 IM, chipped P28 with Crome/Hondata/etc.. just to name the basics.

 

Cool there is a good idea, however, if i go with the JDM parts will they be as reliable as the factories parts (remember I also want to be as indestructable as honda engine's have a rep of being). I don't want to sink good money into an upgraded engine that will just break well before it should (assuming normal wear and tear with a little thrown in to drive it like it's stolen).

 

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JDM parts are "factory" parts... they come with the same blue H on the box.

 

Also, with the extra compression (if i'm not mistaken the type r pistons have around an 11-1 ratio or an 11.5-1 ratio) will that present other problems for my block that I may have to take into consideration? Will it mess with any of my other systems in the car?

 

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For clarification purposes:

1) The only "JDM" part I suggested are the pistons

2) JDM is a simple acronym for Japanese Domestic Market. It does not translate into "after market high performance" as thats the general mindset for a lot of people when they hear JDM. The pistons in JDM Type R's have 0.4:1 more compression then the USDM (United States Domestic Market) counterpart. So JDM ITRs have 11:1 compression. It is an OEM part, meaning it comes stock, made by Honda them self. Rather then going with the OEM USDM ITR pistons, I suggested the OEM JDM ITR Pistons as they have slightly more compression as I stated earlier and would cost the same, along with the reliability of being OEM. Also as I mentioned earlier, the JDM ITR pistons give the respective engines 11:1 CR, but since you will be using a GSR head your compression will be slightly higher upwards to 11.2:1. There should not be any problems along as you use 93 octane (or 91 if thats the highest available in your area), along with a proper tune.


Modified by neo_ at 12:14 AM 3/27/2007