i just need clarification,from my understanding by having NOS will not be consider as all motor. there is a recent thread in this all motor forum asking about whether B20 sleeve will hold ..... with 100 shots...NOS??

 

no, nos = forced induction.

 

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so alcohol injection is forced induction also?

Forced Induction is when the air/fuel is being forced into the motor..

Nitrous doesnt force air/fuel into the engine, just supercool's the intakecharge

if that was the case people running 200 shots would have to buy a 3 bar map sensor

damn that chick on match.com is lookin hot

 

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Nitrous doesnt force air/fuel into the engine, just supercool's the intakecharge

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Correct and incorrect.

Nitrous isn't forced induction in the technical sense and although it does cool the intake charge, that's not how it makes power. Nitrous adds power by chemically introducing more oxygen to the combustion process, forced induction does the same thing mechanically. Internally an engine can not tell the difference between mechanical forced induction or chemical (nitrous) assuming all things are properly tuned. All the combustion chambers see is more air mixed with fuel, one way or another, that will be burned and make power.

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There's a grey area surrounding this because engines that run nitrous usually run as "all motor" 99% of the time on the street. On the strip/track they run nitrous on every run so they rightfully should not be considered "all motor" and grouped with forced induction cars.

 

nos is not forced induction

nos is a ppower additive

 

Please stop calling it NOS.
Its called N2o. NOS is a brand.

I agree with 00red-sir N2o similar to forced induction, but it is not "forced" into the motor. So its not forced induction.
It should not be considered all motor either Because the motor is not making the power on its own.

 

this type of thinking is dangerous, let's not get wrapped up in names.. there just words, they don't own us.

practical intelligence and common sense is fine

 

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nos is a ppower additive</TD></TR></TABLE>

no n2o is forced induction, they dont mean that air is forced into the engine with forced induction. forced induction actually refers to the process of forcing the engine to introduce more oxygen into the cylinder than the atmosphere could push into it at normal atmospheric pressure, thus allowing u to burn more fuel. burning more fuel while still being at optimal A/F ratio means more power.

 

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no n2o is forced induction, </TD></TR></TABLE>

Incorrect.

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they dont mean that air is forced into the engine with forced induction. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's exactly what they mean.

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forced induction actually refers to the process of forcing the engine to introduce more oxygen into the cylinder than the atmosphere could push into it at normal atmospheric pressure,</TD></TR></TABLE>


Forced induction cannot possibly force the engine to introduce more oxygen into the cylinder. Forced induction FORCES more air into the engine than it could normally induce on it's own....again this is why it's called "forced induction".

Nitrous does this chemically by adding more air to the combustion process, it does not "force it". This may seem like splitting hairs but I believe it's important to be at least technically accurate to prevent misunderstanding and the spread of misinformation.

 

Nitrous is a power adder, as is a turbo and supercharger. So to answer your question, no, nitrous does not = all motor. All motor, or, naturally aspirated, is an engine with out a single power adder.

 

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no n2o is forced induction, they dont mean that air is forced into the engine with forced induction. forced induction actually refers to the process of forcing the engine to introduce more oxygen into the cylinder than the atmosphere could push into it at normal atmospheric pressure, thus allowing u to burn more fuel. burning more fuel while still being at optimal A/F ratio means more power. </TD></TR></TABLE>

sorry i misspoke, but your still wrong. n2o is forced induction. what i ment was: force the engine to intorduce more oxygen per volume (higher O2 content per cc). just because that is done by chemical reaction doesnt mean its not forced(chemical reaction is forced).

an engine that introduces more o2 into the cylinders than normal atmospheric preasure would allow is the definition of forced induction

your forcing inductoin of o2 with the n2o

im not trying to **** u off i just beleive your wrong either way n2o is still a power adder not all motor. btw what kinda times u run 00Red_SiR (with 60')

 

N2O is forced induction. Physically cramming more oxygen into the cylinder is forced induction, no matter how you do it - a turbine, bottle pressure, a squirrel on a wheel or elfin magic.

It sure as hell isn't "naturally aspirated."

And, the term 'power adder' is so vague as to be meaningless. Is a bigger engine swap a 'power adder'? A cold air intake? A good tune? A bigger TB? The term has almost no meaning. . .

 

Whats the difference if you are increasing the volume of air or the volume of oxygen?

It comes down to the same thing. Just different ways to acheive it. Thus, nitrous should be considered FI if you look at it that way.

 

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It sure as hell isn't "naturally aspirated."

And, the term 'power adder' is so vague as to be meaningless. Is a bigger engine swap a 'power adder'? A cold air intake? A good tune? A bigger TB? The term has almost no meaning. . . </TD></TR></TABLE>

Physically cramming more into the cylinder would be having 15psi on the other side of the valve waitin to open up, so the headlight intake system would be forced induction?

Nitrous isn't a F/I setup.
The engine is still sucking on its own. The air/fuel charge it takes in with nitrous has ALOT more oxygen and the charge is alot cooler also so its more dense, There is nothing there to force it in to the engine, its still a open filter on the other side.

like 00Red_SiR said, their's a grey area there.. think of it more as a cheater system then forced induction

 

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Incorrect.

That's exactly what they mean.


Forced induction cannot possibly force the engine to introduce more oxygen into the cylinder. Forced induction FORCES more air into the engine than it could normally induce on it's own....again this is why it's called "forced induction".

Nitrous does this chemically by adding more air to the combustion process, it does not "force it". This may seem like splitting hairs but I believe it's important to be at least technically accurate to prevent misunderstanding and the spread of misinformation.
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I vote this correct.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xiaogou &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whats the difference if you are increasing the volume of air or the volume of oxygen?
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you guys are killing me.....did anyone pay attention in science class?

we are not increasing any volume....the cylinder is staying the same size

both nitrous and the compressor(turbo/supercharger) are increasing the density of the air(which contains oxygen, it's not that big a difference)

in one the air is being compressed increasing it's density
in the other the air is being cooled.....cooler things are generally more dense

i guess if you use the sense that pressurized air is exerting an extra force then it is forced when compared to the nitrous system just super cooling to increase density

however......when you heat nitrous oxide to about 570 degrees F (~300 C), it splits into oxygen and nitrogen. So the injection of nitrous means more oxygen is available during combustion.........if you look at this effect vs the cooling effect then you could argue that you are "forcing" the oxygen when it is injected.

either way the motor is not "naturally aspirated," which is the term i think we should be using instead of "all motor"

 

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you guys are killing me.....did anyone pay attention in science class?

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Did you?

Nitrous increases the quantity of oxygen. Turbo's increase the volume of air (compressed). Either way, in one scenario oxygen is being increased and in the other scenario air volume is being increased.

 

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Did you?

Nitrous increases the quantity of oxygen. Turbo's increase the volume of air (compressed). Either way, in one scenario oxygen is being increased and in the other scenario air volume is being increased.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wrong air MASS is being increased, not volume...
i think N2O is FI. just look at oxygen per unit volume, either way there is way more oxygen per unit volume(turbo or N20)... I think yall are taking the FORCED in FI to mean more than it really does