I'm currently selling my turbo setup after bending a couple valves caused my stretched rods etc.... anyway. I want power but I'm getting away from FI for awhile, I don't want to sleeve my block but I want some decent power; reason being is because If i want to go boost later I want to be able to bore it out again and get fresh cylinder walls, without having to deal with sleeves.

For previous turbo setup see here https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1859993
I just started researching N/A, but know a good deal about FI, one of the questions I have is the pistons cr, what is a safe CR I should run on this setup? Would it be a waste to go N/A with such a mild setup? Just give me your opinions etc. I'm not wanting to spend too much more money then whats listed.

Engine: B18C1,
Head: resurfaced, all new gaskets
Full Supertech Valvetrain
Skunk2 Stage2 Cams
Adjustable Cam gears
VictorX IM with stock TB (ported to GSR head)
Hondata IM Gasket

Block: 81.5mm, decked, rebored,
Eagle Rods (ARP 2000 bolts)
OEM OS PR3 pistons (11.4:1)
Micropolished crank
ACL Bearings
ARP Headstuds

Fuel:
Walbro 255HP Pump
310 Injectors

Bolt-ons:
3'' Piping w/ BPi intake
RS*R Headers

Tuning will be done on Crome Pro


Modified by JoePSI at 12:55 PM 1/11/2007

 

Looks like a nice NA build.

I'd throw some bigger bumpsticks in there, though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSVTEC 91 Civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like a nice NA build.

I'd throw some bigger bumpsticks in there, though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

suggestions?

 

Skunk2 Pro1+'s or Pro2+'s would work wonderfully on that engine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Skunk2 Pro1+'s or Pro2+'s would work wonderfully on that engine. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok ill look into those, would anyone recommend going 12.5cr? this will be on 93oct and daily driven.

Would the RW be recommended for this setup or would that be throwing away more money on no HP?

 

I, as well as many others here, have had great experiences with OEM cast pistons.

Also, it is better to have a lower compression ratio and use timing to make power, than to have too much compression and not enough timing.

Try to stick somewhere around 11.5 to 12.0.

- Derek

 

I would ditch the Victor X mainfold and go with a Type-R or Skunk2 or Blox. Bore out the throttle body and go with bigger cams. Also no mention of header or exhaust which could limit your HP output if insuffcient.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I, as well as many others here, have had great experiences with OEM cast pistons.

Also, it is better to have a lower compression ratio and use timing to make power, than to have too much compression and not enough timing.

Try to stick somewhere around 11.5 to 12.0.

- Derek</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank you for all the information! sorry to keep bothering you, what OEM pistons would you recommend and where did you get them from? I would need OS ones (as you know since im 81.5mm) I'm would like 200hp if at all possible on this setup (plan to rev it to 9, so would cast pistons support that, I've heard and had expirience with the rods not being able to go that high so they will be replaced with eagles.)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_teh_WIN!! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would ditch the Victor X mainfold and go with a Type-R or Skunk2 or Blox. Bore out the throttle body and go with bigger cams. Also no mention of header or exhaust which could limit your HP output if insuffcient.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Haha, I HATE you say that, I just got rid of a skunk2 IM. I may be trying to find another one then. You dont think the victor X would be good since I would like to take this engine to 9K? I currently plan to use an RSR Header I have with a 2.5'' Kteller exhaust into an es oval.

The RSR is a 2.25'' collector would that limit my power enough to purchase a new one?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JoePSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Haha, I HATE you say that, I just got rid of a skunk2 IM. I may be trying to find another one then. You dont think the victor X would be good since I would like to take this engine to 9K? I currently plan to use an RSR Header I have with a 2.5'' Kteller exhaust into an es oval.

The RSR is a 2.25'' collector would that limit my power enough to purchase a new one?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree that the Victor X is a little too big. It's not a matter of what engine speeds you'll be seeing, it's a matter of displacement and flow of the head.

Unless your planned displacement is 2.0 liters or larger, I would stay away from that manifold. I agree that a Blox/S2/ITR manifold would better suit your needs.

Also, your header will be a limiting factor in your power production. Find one with a 2.5" collector, and you'll be much better off, if not for peak power production, but for carrying torque higher into the rev range.

Now, the whole thing about OEM pistons/rods not being able to take 9,000 RPM, that's just silly. I've been running my personal LSVTEC (which, mind you has a longer stroke than the 87mm GSR) with stock rods (with ARP rod bolts) and .25mm OS P30 pistons to 9,000 RPM almost daily for over a year.

If you need 81.5mm, look into RS Machines' OEM-style pistons. I'm not sure on the price, but I've heard nothing but good things about them from various other users on this board.

Good luck.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree that the Victor X is a little too big. It's not a matter of what engine speeds you'll be seeing, it's a matter of displacement and flow of the head.

Unless your planned displacement is 2.0 liters or larger, I would stay away from that manifold. I agree that a Blox/S2/ITR manifold would better suit your needs.

Also, your header will be a limiting factor in your power production. Find one with a 2.5" collector, and you'll be much better off, if not for peak power production, but for carrying torque higher into the rev range.

Now, the whole thing about OEM pistons/rods not being able to take 9,000 RPM, that's just silly. I've been running my personal LSVTEC (which, mind you has a longer stroke than the 87mm GSR) with stock rods (with ARP rod bolts) and .25mm OS P30 pistons to 9,000 RPM almost daily for over a year.

If you need 81.5mm, look into RS Machines' OEM-style pistons. I'm not sure on the price, but I've heard nothing but good things about them from various other users on this board.

Good luck. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok thanks for the info, I WILL replace my intake manifold with a itr style one. RS Machines i a great company i got my valvetrain from then so I will definately shoot my business over there for pistons. Would you recommend any piston rings?

 

Good deal. What kind of intake are you gonna be using?

 

I would go along with whetever they recommend with their pistons, as far as rings go.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_teh_WIN!! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good deal. What kind of intake are you gonna be using?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll most likely purchase a Skunk2 IM and get a larger TB (not a skunk2 TB i heard theres stick), how large would I want to go on the TB?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would go along with whetever they recommend with their pistons, as far as rings go. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I just sent RS a pm on some pistons, 11.5:1 CR on cast is what you are referring to correct?

 

[QUOTE=JoePSI]

I'll most likely purchase a Skunk2 IM and get a larger TB (not a skunk2 TB i heard theres stick), how large would I want to go on the TB?
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LOL, I meant what kind of air box/cold air intake are you wanting to use?

If it is a B16 TB then I think the max is 64mm. If it is a B18C TB then I think the max is 65mm. Im pretty sure the GSR and ITR use the same TB, possibly the LS too. Not sure.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_teh_WIN!! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

LOL, I meant what kind of air box/cold air intake are you wanting to use?

If it is a B16 TB then I think the max is 64mm. If it is a B18C TB then I think the max is 65mm. Im pretty sure the GSR and ITR use the same TB, possibly the LS too. Not sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

O sorry, haha. I'm unsure currently any suggestions would be appreciated, looking into that now. I dont want to Ebay it and im not fond of AEM so im searchin

I heard the whale ***** is overrated!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JoePSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

O sorry, haha. I'm unsure currently any suggestions would be appreciated, looking into that now. I dont want to Ebay it and im not fond of AEM so im searchin

I heard the whale ***** is overrated! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why the beef with AEM?

If you don't want one of their systems, try a generic 3" short-ram and invest in a BPi FlowStack. There are many people making AWESOME power with a simple setup like that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why the beef with AEM?

If you don't want one of their systems, try a generic 3" short-ram and invest in a BPi FlowStack. There are many people making AWESOME power with a simple setup like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just rather be different too many setups just go with AEM CAI.

 

You could always go with an AEM Hybrid V.2 they make good power. You could also go custom and see what works good on a dyno too. It's up to you, but try to stay away from a short ram and crappy products. You prolly want something the size of a Type R intake, which is 3in.

 

 

I would go with something bigger than the rs*r header. Might as well look into some nicer pistons too if you spending the money on some nice rods.