I was just curious what the cost is to build a B18c1?

Ported head, cams, springs, retainers.

Pistons, rods, bore to maybe 84mm.

And all the labor to have it built.

I'm guessing $5-6k, is that about right?

And also what kind of whp and wtq it would be producing?

What is the rev limit usually set at and where is peak power usually at?

Thanks.

 

I have a bellybutton


the board has a SEARCHbutton.

use it.

you havn't given us enough info. or yourself for that matter.

slow the *** down, put away your wallet, you're a long way from having a guy steal your money yet. thats all that would happen if clueless you walked into a shop and said "hey guys, build me a b18c1 with cams, and and and, springs, and and and, springs, and and and, like bore it out to like maybe 84 milimeters and then make it a ported head, and ummm, make sure its got lots of whp too"

 

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lol

 

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the board has a SEARCHbutton.

use it.

you havn't given us enough info. or yourself for that matter.

slow the *** down, put away your wallet, you're a long way from having a guy steal your money yet. thats all that would happen if clueless you walked into a shop and said "hey guys, build me a b18c1 with cams, and and and, springs, and and and, springs, and and and, like bore it out to like maybe 84 milimeters and then make it a ported head, and ummm, make sure its got lots of whp too"</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you don't want to answer it, then move the "***" on. I might be a noob to this forum, but I'm not a noob to imports and I'm not a 16 year old with a f*cking wet dream.

How much more info do you need? Street car driven maybe half the week with shitty west coast 92 octane, no plans for forced induction so I'm assuming 11.5:1, maybe a smidge more with some good dyno-tuning and a standalone.

I was simply looking for a ball park from people who have built engines in their rides.


Modified by Noya at 6:58 PM 12/24/2006

 

The best thing to do is start researching the parts and their individual costs. Write down the prices you like and add them all up. But yeah, $5k sounds like a decent ballpark.

 

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If you don't want to answer it, then move the "***" on. I might be a noob to this forum, but I'm not a noob to imports and I'm not a 16 year old with a f*cking wet dream.

How much more info do you need? Street car driven maybe half the week with shitty west coast 92 octane, no plans for forced induction so I'm assuming 11.5:1, maybe a smidge more with some good dyno-tuning and a standalone.

I was simply looking for a ball park from people who have built engines in their rides.


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i never said you were 16, and never said you were a noob. I didnt have to.

First let me say that you should read the rules, these posts aren't even allowed to be here, so shut it sparky. Now, to answer yur question seriously... if you put random cams and other parts in your build (since you didn't specify) it will prioduce power numbers in around the 0-300 whp mark and cost $0-$100,000. there, hows that asshat?

You didnt give us enough info to answer any of your questions guy, so dont get all butthurt over me saying the only thing that came to my mind when i came here and read that **** up there in your first post. you must be kidding.

i'm going to go back to square one, since you weren't the typical over-reacting noob when you got a bit of flamage.

what are your horsepower goals?
weekend racer/daily driver?
autox/road/strip?
how much of the labour can you do yourself?

all of this will vary the cost of the build and the power it ends uip producing.

personally, i would rather have 4 ft/lbs at 4,500 then 4 hp at 7,500 and ideally those same 4 ft/lbs up at 7,500 :D

i'll say it again. slow down. you're looking at the end of the road and asking us to give you the middle.

 

Dude, he asked for a ball park figure not an exact number. Chill out and get off his nuts. Damn.

 

I did give him a ballpark....... get off my nuts, less room for the wife

besides if he answers even half of the questions i threw out i could actually give him a ballpark.

with the info i was given i could assume he is horribly cheap and is going to re-use his old headgasket, or he expected to pay $5-$6k gladly. how am i to know?

Go back and re-read my post slower, and in a positive frame of mind. I honestly wasn't flaming that second time, i was doing what a good lawyer or salesperson does. I was factfinding, and qualifying, was genuinely trying to help this cluless nub.

 

I've been a professional salesman for ten years. I really don't need a lesson there. Talking down to people is a poor sales technique.

 

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*sigh* you're really looking into my posts to find things to complain about. My bad for actually trying to get this guys **** sorted out.

 

Ballpark figures.

Cams = $700
Spring/retainers = $400-500
Pistons = $400-500
Rods = $400
Sleeve to 84mm bore = $900-1200
Built shortblock = $2k-3.5k
Port and polish with valve job = $750-1500
Clutch/flywheel = $300-600
Tuning = $300-500 (depending on chipping, etc.)

Then you ask the questions to help point them in the right direction. Sorry if I'm being a dick, I'm having a really shitty day and I feel like sticking up for a newb or two.

 

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First let me say that you should read the rules, these posts aren't even allowed to be here, so shut it sparky. Now, to answer yur question seriously... if you put random cams and other parts in your build (since you didn't specify) it will prioduce power numbers in around the 0-300 whp mark and cost $0-$100,000. there, hows that asshat?
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Damn, you really are a douche.


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Nice, I've pretty much been in auto sales since I got out of high school a few years back.

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Cams = $700
Spring/retainers = $400-500
Pistons = $400-500
Rods = $400
Sleeve to 84mm bore = $900-1200
Built shortblock = $2k-3.5k
Port and polish with valve job = $750-1500
Clutch/flywheel = $300-600
Tuning = $300-500 (depending on chipping, etc.)
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Damn, some of those prices are more than I was expecting. I thought sleeving would be about half that.

Out of that $2-3.5 for the short block, how much would you estimate is just the labor of assembling it? I rebuilt a 4.6L (stripped to the bare block, ground-up rebuild) for the local police department back in high school autoshop. I could definitely use a hobby; I've been hitting the bars with my co-workers way too much lately.

 

And don't forget to add in that extra hardware i.e. miscellaneous bolts, and gaskets (valve cover, headgasket). that are always needed, but often overlooked when putting together a motor.

But it's always going to be way more than what you're expecting.

 

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Damn, some of those prices are more than I was expecting. I thought sleeving would be about half that.

Out of that $2-3.5 for the short block, how much would you estimate is just the labor of assembling it? I rebuilt a 4.6L (stripped to the bare block, ground-up rebuild) for the local police department back in high school autoshop. I could definitely use a hobby; I've been hitting the bars with my co-workers way too much lately.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you want a **** poor sleeve job that wont last very long, you can have it done for much cheaper.

or you can buy a completely assembled shortblock from places like http://www.laskeyracing.com or http://www.goldeneaglemfg.com

 

Ketone brought up a great point that I completely missed. Figure out what your budget is and then add 30% to it for a safety net because most likely you will go over-budget. The small stuff adds up quickly. Misc. bolts and nuts, sealant, oil, oil filters, tools, etc.

And like Doood said, a quality sleeve job is expensive. I've never had it done but I've seen a lot of people with sunken sleeves. ImportBuilders.com is also another good place to get a block. To find out how much the labor is, look at the price of the parts being used and subtract it from the total price. But a fair amount of what you're paying for is their expertise and the tricks they know. If you want to learn, get quality machine work done and do the assembly yourself. If you want proven out-of-the-box power, get your shortblock built by a professional.

Now you're at the point where you need to start thinking about what your goals are. What are you using this engine for, how much power do you want, and how much are you willing to realistically spend to get there? Get a handle on those three, do the research, and you'll be able to make more informed choices with your build.