Hey all, I hate to pull you away from that sweet ROTA thread and the lots of love that's happening in there, but I have another question(s). Thanks for taking the time to pause on the ROTA bashing amd help.

I was thinking, should something sway my mind on getting the Lovefab kit I'd deffinatly go with the Comptech SC w/ aftercooler. I know if I did this I wouldn't *need the AEM EMS, but I'd still *want it because well... EMS's are great. However what would be the benifits of having it with the Comptec SC vs. not having it? Would it be worth all that money if it wasn't *needed?

 

basically your question is can you skimp out on a ems like AEM EMS and just go another cheaper EMS and still make the same power? the answer is..... i honestly cant tell you. Twizted on s2ki says you can use greddy ultimate and still get 400+whp on turbo applications. not so sure about SC applications. but my question to you is, why would you skimp on the most important part of a kit?

 

you dont need an AEM EMS for a comptech sc /w ac on stock or near stock boost levels.

the thing about the AEM EMS is that if you dont get it perfectly tuned, your car will never run the way it used to. colder weather, hotter weather, elevation... etc all will play a part on your tune and the way the car drives. your part throttle settings will never be like the oem ECU either. keeping the oem ecu + adding a piggy back is the best option in my opinion unless you can spend butt loads of money on dyno tuning with a competent tuner. if you have access to both the latter, i would go for the AEM..

but really, if you aren't boosting above 10psi it'd be a waste imo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by immortal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you dont need an AEM EMS for a comptech sc /w ac on stock or near stock boost levels.

the thing about the AEM EMS is that if you dont get it perfectly tuned, your car will never run the way it used to. colder weather, hotter weather, elevation... etc all will play a part on your tune and the way the car drives. your part throttle settings will never be like the oem ECU either. keeping the oem ecu + adding a piggy back is the best option in my opinion unless you can spend butt loads of money on dyno tuning with a competent tuner. if you have access to both the latter, i would go for the AEM..

but really, if you aren't boosting above 10psi it'd be a waste imo. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I completely disagree.

Think about the fuel system it comes with. All it does is hides boost from the stock ecu, and jacks up the fuel pressure to unsafe pressures.

Ignition timing is vital when it comes to Boosted high compression motors.

You'll make more power and be much safer w/ an standalone.

And If the AEM is tuned correctly, you most likely wont be able to tell there is even an aftermarket ecu plugged in.

 

yeah but on a comptech with stock boost levels i dont see the need to spend another $1500-2000 when it's not needed. money doesnt grow on trees for a lot of people.

on a turbocharged car i would go standalone no doubt about it.

 

if you cant afford to play with the big boys, then done pretend. boosting a s2000 isnt cheap.

 

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boosting any car the "right" way isn't cheap.

 

These topics always end up the same... and I ran out stupid **** to say for today.

 

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sure bout that?

 

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I completely disagree.

Think about the fuel system it comes with. All it does is hides boost from the stock ecu, and jacks up the fuel pressure to unsafe pressures.

Ignition timing is vital when it comes to Boosted high compression motors.

You'll make more power and be much safer w/ an standalone.


And If the AEM is tuned correctly, you most likely wont be able to tell there is even an aftermarket ecu plugged in.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Im with you. If the AEM is tuned right it will run like a OEM ecu. my car runs great at 1/2 thro.

 

It's not that I'm trying to skimp on anything. I'm just trying to see if it's justified with only having stock internals and running the base PSI of the Comptech SC. I'm only looking to make ~330whp.

 

The EMS is a better option. Once you get the tune done your set. Now if you start adding things such as exhaust or run cool parts, then yes, it's time to tune again. The EMS also gives you lots of insight and troubleshooting capabilities. I don't know about every car but it only took me about 2 hours to tune.

 

Yes, I understand the advantages of having it. I run a Hondata s200 system on my Civic. I'm looking for more of the technical side of things, like how well the AEM EMS works with the Comptech SC, or something along the lines of "yes, it's a great mod, but will not benifit you enough to warrant the $2500 price tag."

 

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it's a standalone ems.... it's 100% tunable. it's hard to say that it's a "great mod" cause it's not like a bolt on... any ems is only as good as the tuner can tune it or as good as the setup is.

 

My dad spent 17K on his s2k and only managed to pull 293whp. Was hopeing for 330whp+ but nope.

I don't think you need the AEM EMS with a stock comptech system.


SAD SAD SAD.

 

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I don't think you need the AEM EMS with a stock comptech system.


SAD SAD SAD.

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he was hoping for that on stock 5.5 psi boost?

 

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he was hoping for that on stock 5.5 psi boost?</TD></TR></TABLE>

actually we got the 3.9inch pully which is about 7psi.

you don't even want to see all the other parts we got and still only managed to pull 293whp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kangaroo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My dad spent 17K on his s2k and only managed to pull 293whp. Was hopeing for 330whp+ but nope.

I don't think you need the AEM EMS with a stock comptech system.


SAD SAD SAD.

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i blame the setup or the tuner. then again. it's a blower on an S it's not gonna make that much. a local guy here was making ~350whp @ 11psi on a vortech kit (i think) tuned by a reputable tuner. so i dunno. this local tuner tunes conservatively so maybe it coulda squeezed a bit more but i dunno.

 

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i blame the setup or the tuner. then again. it's a blower on an S it's not gonna make that much. a local guy here was making ~350whp @ 11psi on a vortech kit (i think) tuned by a reputable tuner. so i dunno. this local tuner tunes conservatively so maybe it coulda squeezed a bit more but i dunno.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Was that on a stock motor?

I think the set-up is pretty solid.....I was pissed as hell when the # came back so low. I'm not positive but I do kind of blame the tunner. Maybe we just need to up the boost.?? but I don't want to do that to a stock motor.

 

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Was that on a stock motor?

I think the set-up is pretty solid.....I was pissed as hell when the # came back so low. I'm not positive but I do kind of blame the tunner. Maybe we just need to up the boost.?? but I don't want to do that to a stock motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the motor had a headgasket and that was it.