Ok guys. I've done a lot of searching and I can't decide what I want to put into my Civic HB. The B16A comes with 170Hp 113Trq 10.4 Compression (JDM) and the B16B comes with 185Hp 117 Trq 10.8 Compression(JDM) and the price difference for each motor is around $1,500 (for a complete swap)
I was just wondering whether it was worth it to go with the B16B engine and pay for money for it and have a Type R engine or, swap in a B16A engine when I can easily build it up to have more power than the B16B???

Positive and Negative Input is appreciated!

 

get the b16a and spend the 1500 on it and you should at least get the 15hp and 10 ft/lbs of torque

 

Get the B16a and put the extra 1500 toward building a turbo kit.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blk_EK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok guys. I've done a lot of searching and I can't decide what I want to put into my Civic HB. The B16A comes with 170Hp 113Trq 10.4 Compression (JDM) and the B16B comes with 185Hp 117 Trq 10.8 Compression(JDM) and the price difference for each motor is around $1,500 (for a complete swap)
I was just wondering whether it was worth it to go with the B16B engine and pay for money for it and have a Type R engine or, swap in a B16A engine when I can easily build it up to have more power than the B16B???

Positive and Negative Input is appreciated!
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No, the B16a (00/99 si motor) comes with 160 stock (maybe 170 on the JDM model) and like 120-130 at the wheels. Common complaint about this motor (although I don't feel this way) is that before VTEC It feels like a D16. The B16b on the other hand uses a lot higher compression to achieve higher wheel #'s anyways. Though still, due to its small displacement and power transfer in a FWD car you're still only looking at 140-150 at the wheels.

Tq. isn't the greatest on either of them parce que their displacement is so small (displacement = tq. in lame terms for basic concepts).

Though the B16b's a better motor, it's built for natural aspiration (all motor) due to it's high compression and aggressive cam profiling. You'll get much MORE power, CHEAPER out of a regular B16a (99/00 si motor or was available on some del sol models as an OBD-I engine...or JDM) with boost as others has said. B16 on boost is always nice. CTR (B16b) on boost can be a bitch due to it's high compression (not a boost happy engine) - not to say it's not tunable, it's very tunable on boost it can make lots and lots of HP, but the money requirements just don't make up the diff by FAR.

Get the B16a, use the diff to boost. If you want to stay all motor, get the B16b, it responds better to bolt-ons (or any other upgrade for that matter) but is a good <u>natural aspiration</u> engine as the B16a sucks as a naturally aspired engine. Though even in terms of natural aspiration the B16b isn't the greatest due to its small displacement.

So what are your goals? What's your usage? What's your budget? Combined all these and your answer will probably be obvious.

 

Get the B16B if your gonna leave the motor alone. Get the B16A if your gonna keep modifying after the engine swap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Get the B16B if your gonna leave the motor alone. Get the B16A if your gonna keep modifying after the engine swap.</TD></TR></TABLE>

doesnt get any well better put than that... B16B if u plan on adding some bolt ons maybe, B16A if u plan on taking it apart an actually doing work to ur motor... "if u plan on going turbo anyway".... And as far as price difference... I kno i can get a B16A for like a G if that, as far as a CTR engine goes, cheapest i've ever found was like 4 grand...

 

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Ha, yeah, that's the basic summation of what I said, to you for making it short. My bad...

 

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Ha, yeah, that's the basic summation of what I said, to you for making it short. My bad... </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol,
yeah my budget is around 5k for right now. Prolly gonna go for the B16B, but if I built a turbo up that was pushing 9-11lbs would that hurt the engine more than the adding it onto the B16A?

 

This is why I went with an ITR swap over a GSR swap. It was gonna be just as hard to talk my wife into an ITR motor as it would be with a GSR, and I knew I wouldn't be able to mod it after the install (we have a little one on the way). This is where politics come into play...

I got my 97 ITR running in my EG for 5k. Thats always an option for you too... And "yes" a turbo will hurt a CTR & ITR motors if you don't lower the compression...

 

with a 5k budget, this thread should be....
GSR vs. ITR

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ballerchild &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with a 5k budget, this thread should be....
GSR vs. ITR</TD></TR></TABLE>

well with a 5k budget...the gsr could have potential to be the faster car...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

No, the B16a (00/99 si motor) comes with 160 stock (maybe 170 on the JDM model) and like 120-130 at the wheels. Common complaint about this motor (although I don't feel this way) is that before VTEC It feels like a D16. The B16b on the other hand uses a lot higher compression to achieve higher wheel #'s anyways. Though still, due to its small displacement and power transfer in a FWD car you're still only looking at 140-150 at the wheels.

Tq. isn't the greatest on either of them parce que their displacement is so small (displacement = tq. in lame terms for basic concepts).

Though the B16b's a better motor, it's built for natural aspiration (all motor) due to it's high compression and aggressive cam profiling. You'll get much MORE power, CHEAPER out of a regular B16a (99/00 si motor or was available on some del sol models as an OBD-I engine...or JDM) with boost as others has said. B16 on boost is always nice. CTR (B16b) on boost can be a bitch due to it's high compression (not a boost happy engine) - not to say it's not tunable, it's very tunable on boost it can make lots and lots of HP, but the money requirements just don't make up the diff by FAR.

Get the B16a, use the diff to boost. If you want to stay all motor, get the B16b, it responds better to bolt-ons (or any other upgrade for that matter) but is a good <u>natural aspiration</u> engine as the B16a sucks as a naturally aspired engine. Though even in terms of natural aspiration the B16b isn't the greatest due to its small displacement.

So what are your goals? What's your usage? What's your budget? Combined all these and your answer will probably be obvious.

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damn dude u know ur ****

 

Buy the B16B if you just want it to say you have a B16B. It has the same stroke as a B16A, the only differnence is the head. It's taller to accomodate the PCT pistons. Thats the only difference besides the cams. Thats the main reason most people have problems when using PCT pistons. They actually come out of the deck and raise compresssion too much and cause piston to valve clearance issues, along with high lift cam issues. For 5k you could build a sick engine that will eat both those motors.

 

The difference isn't the head, it's the block. The CTR uses the same taller B18 block w/ shorter crank and taller pistons. The head is the same B16A casting w/ the reworked "Type-R" ports & valvetrain...

The shorter block is why the CTR (PCT) pistons stick out of the top when installed in a B16A...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The difference isn't the head, it's the block. The CTR uses the same taller B18 block w/ longer rods, shorter crank, and taller pistons. The head is the same B16A casting w/ the reworked "Type-R" ports & valvetrain...

The shorter block is why the CTR (PCT) pistons stick out of the top when installed in a B16A...</TD></TR></TABLE>

My bad, your right, thats why I was gonna say it was a de-stroked 1.8. LOL. I knew it had a taller something. It's hard to remember every aspect of every engine. Thanx for the correction.